I meant and auto camaro against an auto Mustang will result in the mustang winning handily. 6sp for 6 spd the mustang on avg should trap about 1-2 mph more, both cars can trap 109-112 with a few outlier 5.0s running faster in the 113 range.. on avg yes the 5.0 is faster but its not a slaughter, and for the record it seems most 5th gen drivers are not good drivers
2012 5.0 vs 2010 SS
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I meant and auto camaro against an auto Mustang will result in the mustang winning handily. 6sp for 6 spd the mustang on avg should trap about 1-2 mph more, both cars can trap 109-112 with a few outlier 5.0s running faster in the 113 range.. on avg yes the 5.0 is faster but its not a slaughter, and for the record it seems most 5th gen drivers are not good drivers
cuz most 5th gen drivers r 25 and under. its a trend and they caught on and its a flashy car so they buy it plus its the new female car also so alot of females r in them.
where as with the mustang its more of a cult following with the 5.0. there r only 3 that i know of where i am and we know what the car is and what we have. most people who have camaros have the v6 and just bought it for its appeal and cuz its trendy and have no idea the history behind the camaro
where as with the mustang its more of a cult following with the 5.0. there r only 3 that i know of where i am and we know what the car is and what we have. most people who have camaros have the v6 and just bought it for its appeal and cuz its trendy and have no idea the history behind the camaro
Actually the M6 Camaro has a LS3 whereas the auto Camaro has a variant of the LS3 called the L99. It came deactive half it's cylinders during normal driving to achieve better fuel economy.
There is nothing wrong with roll racing, and I wouldn't consider drag racing a more true form of racing.
That being said I really want to know what magically makes the ss a roll monster because looking at the specs all I can guess is that it is relying on fairy dust, or it isn't a roll monster.
It's only "rolling" advantage vs the 5.0 is a very slight aero advantage which is hardly going to make up for the gearing, low redline etc.
So please what are the reasons the LS motor/SS is a roll monster, aside from just period...
That being said I really want to know what magically makes the ss a roll monster because looking at the specs all I can guess is that it is relying on fairy dust, or it isn't a roll monster.
It's only "rolling" advantage vs the 5.0 is a very slight aero advantage which is hardly going to make up for the gearing, low redline etc.
So please what are the reasons the LS motor/SS is a roll monster, aside from just period...
Well probably it's gearing, and the fact that LS motors pull well up top.
With that said I've driven 2011 Mustang GT and it was pretty damn strong pulling at any speed, and passed 100 mph pretty quickly.
Auto 5th gens (L99) are slow as f#$k from a roll, especially untuned. They generally are giving up 40-50whp to the LS3 cars.
Was talking about an auto 5.0 and manual 5.0. But after rereadiing it..he wasnt..my bad.
It's a pretty even start, and even if the Camaro did get the jump it still wouldn't give it a 3 car length lead. We're not talking about a dig because this thread is about the 2 cars racing from a roll. I've said already that with equal drivers the 5.0 is faster at the track. From a roll it's a much closer race and when you throw in headers on the Camaro (like the car the OP is supposed to race) the advantage goes to the Camaro. The vid I posted is of that same scenario.
Yes the manual (LS3) makes 426 and the auto (L99) makes 400. Measured at the rear wheels the difference in horsepower is even greater. The auto makes up for it at the track though because the transmission has a lot more aggressive gearing (especially 1st gear) to help it out from a dig.
Every race and every car is different. I already said plenty of times from a dig it's a different story. I'd hardly call their 1st race a roll race, they were barely moving.
You guys need to stop being butthurt when a Mustang loses. I mean for Christ sakes.
so its just in theory that all ls motors pull hard :\ and u r correct the gt pulls strong in any gear thats y like wth. man i reach over 120mph without effort.
my bad i didnt post that first race but u can see it on that guys youtube page.
kmsl at sinister04l butthurt. thats hilarious man but u know how it is when it comes to mustang vs camaro. this a rivalry thats over half a century old. and it will always be an serious discussion
I watched it from the Youtube menu on the right of the other videos.
I know, I've been on both sides of the fence. I've had 3 Mustangs, 3 Camaros, 2 Trans Ams, and of course my Lightning. Had a blast in every one of them. I just like going fast and have fun doing it. :beer:
Saying the LS motor just pulls well up top isn't a scientific explanation of anything backed up with anything, its a completely empty statement. There isn't anything magical about how the LS motor pulls up top. Looking at power output at specific rpm there is nothing magical about the LS motor in fact again the power output is very close between the 5.0 and the ss at the same rpm...but the 5.0 goes with the peak hp for nearly 1k longer...
I don't think anyone in here is butt hurt, I think there are a few people questioning what mysteriously makes the SS a roll monster because nothing about its specs or video evidence proves it is anywhere close to a roll monster.
I don't think anyone in here is butt hurt, I think there are a few people questioning what mysteriously makes the SS a roll monster because nothing about its specs or video evidence proves it is anywhere close to a roll monster.
I'm not a scientist I can only share my personal experience. I've seen it and done it many times. The Mustang has the advantage at the track due to it's weight and aggressive gearing. Once they're rolling on the highway it's different. Just like my example of beating 2 different cars on the highway who are .7 to almost a second faster at the track. My car wasn't even broken in yet.
I'm done arguing about it though. It is what it is. Y'all enjoy your cars because I'm damn sure having fun with mine.
I'm done arguing about it though. It is what it is. Y'all enjoy your cars because I'm damn sure having fun with mine.
^^^^^^ +1 TheCPE is on a roll yeaaa buddy
Look you are think way too hard about this. LS powered vehicles tend to pull well up top. Go for a ride in one. Quit trying to make some scientific explanation out of some dyno sheet. That is ridiculous.
Equal power to weight isn't always really equal. An example might would be you have a pulleyed Terminator with such and such power to weight ratio, and you have a cammed Fbody with the same power to weight ratio, and if my money was on the line, and all other things were equal I would bet every time on the cammed Fbody because of the way an aggressively cammed car pulls. Most feel, and are very fast for the HP they make.
Whether or not a SS is faster up top than a new GT IDK I haven't ridden in a new Camaro, but I was giving you an explanation as to why a new Camaro may be good on the topend which I feel sure it probably is.
The power to weight isn't why the 5.0 will beat the SS rolling...
It's the mechanical advantage and equal power curve...
You really think that going for a ride in one is a better way of determining which one is going to pull harder? Sounds like people who can feel 10hp mods on a 400hp car...
No one has given any explanation of why the ls might be good up top, there isn't any why.
It is actually pretty simple with roll racing it comes down to mechanical advantage at speed x and power output at the rpm at speed x vs the other car. In the camaro vs 5.0 the aero advantage to the camaro (.35 to .37) is about as significant as the 300 lb weight advantage of the 5.0.
But the 5.0 is going to have the mechanical advantage at any given speed, and be putting down the same power or more at that rpm...
:shrug:
It's the mechanical advantage and equal power curve...
You really think that going for a ride in one is a better way of determining which one is going to pull harder? Sounds like people who can feel 10hp mods on a 400hp car...
No one has given any explanation of why the ls might be good up top, there isn't any why.
It is actually pretty simple with roll racing it comes down to mechanical advantage at speed x and power output at the rpm at speed x vs the other car. In the camaro vs 5.0 the aero advantage to the camaro (.35 to .37) is about as significant as the 300 lb weight advantage of the 5.0.
But the 5.0 is going to have the mechanical advantage at any given speed, and be putting down the same power or more at that rpm...
:shrug:
Are you dense? I never said the SS IS faster than a 5.0 from a roll, I said the race would be much closer than it is at the track. If you paid any attention I said the SS in question (the whole point of this thread) with headers is not going to lose to this guy's stock 5.0, of course with equal drivers etc. I posted a video of an SS with headers and bolt ons vs a 5.0 with bolt ons to show the difference.
I don't care if you don't think the LS cars have a good top end. You can theorize and compare dyno sheets all day long because that means jack in the real world.
Could be dense...
But you've stated several times that while the 5.0 might have the advantage at the track or from a dig "it's different" when rolling. My whole point has been that it isn't, the 5.0 is still going to have the advantage rolling. Dyno graphs do mean jack in the real world, peak numbers don't but the power curve does.
Anyway, hopefully the OP can finally entice this guy into running and get some video maybe too...
But you've stated several times that while the 5.0 might have the advantage at the track or from a dig "it's different" when rolling. My whole point has been that it isn't, the 5.0 is still going to have the advantage rolling. Dyno graphs do mean jack in the real world, peak numbers don't but the power curve does.
Anyway, hopefully the OP can finally entice this guy into running and get some video maybe too...
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