Z28 waxed the 03...

[doubleblack]

Race was from 80. I downshifted into 3rd which put me over 4k. Bam, we both punch it, the LS1 jumps nicely and slowly starts walking me. I was quickly at the top of 3rd and he didn't gain anymore. I shifted into 4th and slowly started pulling BUT , the guy may have already shut down due to cars up ahead, so I'm not sure if it was a "false" pulling.

I slowed down and waited for him, rolled down the window and said, "DAMN! That's pretty fast, what's it got?"
He said, "Gears! What year is that?"
I said, "03" and gave him a thumbs up.

We down shifted again w/ the same outcome except for me missing 4th so he just left me...

WOW! I lost to an LS1 w/ gears, should I believe him?

I thought it was kinda cool getting my ass kicked by a strong LS1 but GEEZ, my first encounter w/ an LS1 and I had to pick a quick one. Let alone this was my first run ever w/ my 03...the record books not looking too great, guess I'll have to do a little fixing...

 

[NastyWS6]

Nice death, Some of them are pretty fast. But I can confidently say he has more than just gears to be able to pull you.

 

[03DOHC]

Time for some mods.

 

[doubleblack]

Originally posted by NastyWS6
Nice death, Some of them are pretty fast. But I can confidently say he has more than just gears to be able to pull you.

Nasty, what do you think the bare minimum would be to pull a stock 03?

 

[raptorman02]

His gears would make more of a difference when going slower than that anyway so he was stretching the truth. I have run 10+ stock or minor bolton LS1's at the track and they especially get hauled in on the big end. In the 1000' my speed and et is anywhere from 9.7-9.9. The fastest without NO2 was a guy who runs his car every weekend, it is a formula so its lighter and he had drag radials in the rear, skinnys up front, exhaust, filter, all the minors bolt ons. The best I have seem him run is a 10.5 @98. I have so many videos on my camers of these races I just need to figure out how to get them over to the computer. Oh yea in the 1/4 they were barely dipping in the 12's and that was only a few (with work). The only one faster than me was a built sprayed ET running LT1 camaro. He ran a 11.6 but still his Speed was only 115 where mine was 11.77 @ 118.

I would bet that guy had a little something extra and has been waiting to use it on an 03. But damn those cars look sweet, especially a WS6 they look like they are hauling ass sitting still.

 

[OCMike]

I can't imagine "gears" alone pulling you (although you did mention missing a shift on the 2nd run). I suspect he may have had either heads and a mild cam or you got sprayed. I usually motion for the other guy to pull over after a race so that we can talk poopie about our cars (and do some NATO inspections for weapons of mass destruction).

 

[NastyWS6]

Originally posted by doubleblack
Nasty, what do you think the bare minimum would be to pull a stock 03?

4.10 gears, Intake and exhaust, plus a good driver. That would be close for a "BONE STOCK" 03. It would definitely have to be lightly modded to take one down with equally good drivers.

 

[zzzzzer]

Wow...sounds like it was still a good race. Good run! :beer: Always nice to run with cool people. You both lined up...it was fair...end of race you gave each other your props. That's the way it should be.

 

[98Cobra_Kid]

Good race in my eyes. Man can does ls1 f-bodies do alot damage just for minor bolt on's and a good driver.

 

[1Yellow03]

Nice death! I think you got sprayed! Most LT1's and LS1's seem
to put there cars in park when I run them. Mods or no Mods. I think spraying could get you. But I am runing a pully and chip setup!

 

[03CobraBro]

Thats what I was about ready to ask... These head/cammed LS1's, whats the word on them hanging with a pulley/chip terminator on DR's?

 

[E. Green Cobra]

Originally posted by 03CobraBro
Thats what I was about ready to ask... These head/cammed LS1's, whats the word on them hanging with a pulley/chip terminator on DR's?

The word is they won't be hanging, they'll be walkin. You're talkin about a car that's got at least the same amount of power with a lot less weight. Their just nasty. and for whatever reason they respond to the spray like 4v's respond to blowers.

 

[03CobraBro]

Sounds frustrating... Are those concidered light mods? What are the odds of running into one of those machines.

 

[ArcticLS1]

He may have had a shot of nitrous. LS1s respond WELL to the spray. I can vouch for it with mine. I was able to out muscle an 03 cobra with chip, pully, exhaust, TB, ect by 3 cars from 50-120.. Sometimes you will never know though.

I have friends with LS1s running low 12s at 113ish with just bolt ons, no nitrous, no motor work, or forced induction. Just basicially full exhaust, Nittos, stall converter, gears, Lid-bellow-TB-MAF, and free mods..

 

[TK94Bird]

Good death

 

[Blue03Cobra]

Originally posted by 03CobraBro
Are those concidered light mods?

I would consider anything you can do by yourself with general tools (without opening the motor or installing a power adder) "light mods". For me that rules out: headers, stall converter/tranny work, cams, heads, nitrous, turbos, superchargers, etc. It would include: intake, pulleys, rear-end gears, suspension, chips, shifter, tires, and the like.

YMMV

 

[03CobraBro]

Well I probably wont go any further than pulley, chip and 555R's. Im just glad were making guys spend alittle bit more money than the average vehicle to put us down.

 

[Mcteague]

An LS1 needs nitrous and tires or at least a cam (plus bolt-ons) to beat a pulley/chip 03 but that's not the case against a stocker. I walked a stock 03 in my 02 SS with just a pulley, TB and Predator performance tune. The lid, cold air hood and cat-back were stock so I don't consider them mods.

 

[sukkoi19]

I raced an 03 Cobra vert from a stop to about 115 and he pulled me by about 2 cars. First he said he was stock, then he says oh I got a CAI, then its well I got a catback. Then I was telling him about my Mustangs exhuast and hes like oh yeah Ive got an O/R X- pipe so who knows he was mostly stock I guess. Point was my Z-28 is bone stock and I didnt get to badly destroyed so I figure a couple of minor bolt-ons would even it out with a stock 03 coupe.

The H/C LS1 cars Ive seen seem to run around mid to low 11s on motor, I dont think I have ever seen one on spray. Course those #s are off guys sigs, so I guess I didnt really see them run.

 

[Trader]

If you are stock a bolt on M6 with gears will walk you. Not much but it will walk you. All i have is bolt ons in my WS6 and it is about 6/10ths quicker in the 1/4 than the cobra. The ls1 swwet spot is third too.