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The reason I dug this up is because I'm tired of the stupid crap from people and law enforcement officials who only repeat what the good government wants them to say/do/believe. The "drive by media" does not really want to report this and the only reason this article was written was probably due a slow news day. I am against any devices or regulations/laws that move this country closer and closer to a Police State, which is fast approaching. I can only hope that the American people wake up and realize what is happening...enjoy!



D.C. Red-Light Cameras Fail to Reduce Accidents

By Del Quentin Wilber and Derek Willis
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, October 4, 2005; Page A01

The District's red-light cameras have generated more than 500,000 violations and $32 million in fines over the past six years. City officials credit them with making busy roads safer.

But a Washington Post analysis of crash statistics shows that the number of accidents has gone up at intersections with the cameras. The increase is the same or worse than at traffic signals without the devices.


D.C. Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey said citations for red-light running have dropped by about 60 percent at intersections that have the cameras.
D.C. Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey said citations for red-light running have dropped by about 60 percent at intersections that have the cameras. (By Gerald Martineau -- The Washington Post)
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Monitored Intersections
The D.C. government installed the first of its red-light cameras in 1999. By the following year, 37 intersections were covered in the city, some with more than one camera. The number of traffic accidents at the 37 intersections has gone up since the cameras were installed. The increase is the same or worse than at the 1,520 intersections with traffic lights that do not have red-light cameras.

Three outside traffic specialists independently reviewed the data and said they were surprised by the results. Their conclusion: The cameras do not appear to be making any difference in preventing injuries or collisions.

"The data are very clear," said Dick Raub, a traffic consultant and a former senior researcher at Northwestern University's Center for Public Safety. "They are not performing any better than intersections without cameras."

The District started the camera program in 1999, and from the beginning, officials said they were aiming to curtail red-light running and accidents. At the time, Terrance W. Gainer, then the second-highest ranking D.C. police official, said the cameras would "get people to stop at red lights and avoid crashes. . . . Hopefully, we'll have a few less messes to clean up."

D.C. Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey said he remains convinced that the devices are worthwhile. Even if the number of crashes is not going down, he said, citations for red-light running have dropped by about 60 percent at intersections that have cameras.

Ramsey said the number of accidents would be even higher without the cameras, adding that he would like to install them at every traffic light in the city. He pointed to last year's steep decrease in traffic fatalities -- 45 people died compared with 69 in 2003 -- as evidence that the program is working.

"I'd rather have them than not have them," Ramsey said. "They make people slow down. They reduce the number of traffic violations, and that's a good thing."

City officials attribute the increase in accidents to higher traffic volume. But that does not explain why the presence of cameras has failed to slow the rate of accidents at those intersections, Raub and others said. The outside experts suggested that the cameras might be more useful at other locations, and D.C. officials said they are studying the issue.

The city has cameras at 45 intersections. They take photographs of cars running red lights, generating tickets that are processed by a private contractor. Police oversee the issuance of tickets, which carry $75 fines, and the money goes into the city's general fund -- nearly $5 million last year.

The Post obtained a D.C. database generated from accident reports filed by police. The data covered the entire city, including the 37 intersections where cameras were installed in 1999 and 2000.

The analysis shows that the number of crashes at locations with cameras more than doubled, from 365 collisions in 1998 to 755 last year. Injury and fatal crashes climbed 81 percent, from 144 such wrecks to 262. Broadside crashes, also known as right-angle or T-bone collisions, rose 30 percent, from 81 to 106 during that time frame. Traffic specialists say broadside collisions are especially dangerous because the sides are the most vulnerable areas of cars
 

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holy shit...i know...we are like seconds from a 1984 or possibly a fahrenheit 451 like experiance...


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Try living in Australia - red light cameras, speed cameras, mobile cameras...

Had to laugh at the line in the original post "$32 million in fines over the past six years". In Oz, there are some cameras that generate $2M in fines per month!!
 

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Phoenix also has speed cameras. Evidently they recently wrapped up a 6 mo. trial with them on highways and main roads. I believe they racked up several hundred thousand citations during the test period. Pure BS.
From what a few commercial drivers out there have said, they take pics of your face, not a front plate. Then match it with a BMV/DMV photo and your ticket is mailed to you. I'm not sure how that works with tint/sunglasses, etc. If it's true that's outrageously scary.
 
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they should just come out and tell us the truth, that these cameras are only for revenue. i hate being lied to.
 

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We have had photo speed and red light based cameras here for many years. My first and only ticket is a speeding ticket that I got from a photo radar van. :nonono: :cuss:
 

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tehnick said:
We have had photo speed and red light based cameras here for many years. My first and only ticket is a speeding ticket that I got from a photo radar van. :nonono: :cuss:
sucks man.
 

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I live 20 minutes outside of D.C. and work for the D.C. metro area mass transit agency, in my opinion it just proves how stupid the ****ing people are. They have signs that warn you there is a red light camera ahead, they also have signs that warn you there are speed cameras ahead yet the same stupid people get tickets over and over again. I dont know about other regions, but here if you pay the slightest bit of attention you wont get a ticket
 

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I have no problem with this concept. If you know that it's the law to not drive through a red light or you know that it's the law to not drive over the speed limit, how can you complain when you get caught, whether it's with a cop or a camera? I'm not saying I don't speed, because I do. But if I get caught, I pay the fine and move on with my life. I'd rather let the idiots that run the red lights help generate revenue for the city and county, rather than me have to pay a higher gas tax or something else.
 

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wythors said:
I have no problem with this concept. If you know that it's the law to not drive through a red light or you know that it's the law to not drive over the speed limit, how can you complain when you get caught, whether it's with a cop or a camera? I'm not saying I don't speed, because I do. But if I get caught, I pay the fine and move on with my life. I'd rather let the idiots that run the red lights help generate revenue for the city and county, rather than me have to pay a higher gas tax or something else.

Go earn your Darwin award ......
 
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SVT04 said:
Go earn your Darwin award ......

That makes no sense in any way, shape or form. Good job!

On a side note, :thumbsup: for red light cams. Don't like them? Don't be a stupid c**t that runs red lights and it shouldn't be a problem.

OMFG!! OMFG!1 teh red LIGHT cams are coming!!! p0lice state!!
 

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That makes no sense in any way, shape or form. Good job!

On a side note, :thumbsup: for red light cams. Don't like them? Don't be a stupid c**t that runs red lights and it shouldn't be a problem.

OMFG!! OMFG!1 teh red LIGHT cams are coming!!! p0lice state!!

It makes total sense if you know what a Darwin award is. Stupid people need to remove themselves from the gene pool....as far as red light cameras and speed cameras go,how much are we going to take ? How long before we have cameras that time our visits to the john ,and fine us when we take too long ?
These cameras are just another way to take more money out of our pockets, and are not related to safety in any way.

Maybe you need a Darwin award too :lol:
 
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SVT04 said:
It makes total sense if you know what a Darwin award is. Stupid people need to remove themselves from the gene pool....as far as red light cameras and speed cameras go,how much are we going to take ? How long before we have cameras that time our visits to the john ,and fine us when we take too long ?
These cameras are just another way to take more money out of our pockets, and are not related to safety in any way.

Maybe you need a Darwin award too :lol:

STFU. It made no sense because no sane, intelligent person would assume someone who obeys traffic laws and applies logic to his decisions would do anything to warrant earning a Darwin award. Go earn your GED.
 

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They deter people from running red lights, intersections are where most accidents happen - how is that not saftey related?

Certainly it generates revenue as well, and that's probably its main role, but it also has probably reduced intersection accidents where those cameras are in place.

So, just don't run red lights, won't have to worry about them.
 

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STFU. It made no sense because no sane, intelligent person would assume someone who obeys traffic laws and applies logic to his decisions would do anything to warrant earning a Darwin award. Go earn your GED.

My aren't we intelligent....They were right over in smackdown you are a general pain in the a$$.
Obeying traffic laws and applying logic has nothing to do with it. Just rolling over and playing submissive dog when confronted with unfair taxation and intrusion into your life is just plain stupid.
So if you are content being stupid then carry on.

Too bad that by your estimation there are lots of stupid people who will be too cautious to get their award...:lol:
 
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Steeda30 said:
They deter people from running red lights, intersections are where most accidents happen - how is that not saftey related?

Certainly it generates revenue as well, and that's probably its main role, but it also has probably reduced intersection accidents where those cameras are in place.

So, just don't run red lights, won't have to worry about them.

Generating revenue from stupid people all day long is fine by me. Don't want to pay the ticket? Don't be a dumbass (or Canadian).
 

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Steeda30 said:
They deter people from running red lights, intersections are where most accidents happen - how is that not saftey related?

Certainly it generates revenue as well, and that's probably its main role, but it also has probably reduced intersection accidents where those cameras are in place.

So, just don't run red lights, won't have to worry about them.
They do not deter people from running red lights.
What they don't want to tell you is that while citations at the intersection for red light running go down, crashes at the same intersection go up. The type of crashes that increase ? Rear end crashes from people being rear ended when they panic stop to avoid a ticket .....

I say again ,the main purpose is as a cash cow.
 
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SVT04 said:
My aren't we intelligent....

No, we aren't intelligent, I am. You are just a dumb canuck with a large stockpile of tinfoil hats.

SVT04 said:
They were right over in smackdown you are a general pain in the a$$.

I have no idea what this sentence means, is trying to say, or implies. Is this like Canadian pig latin or are you just too dumb to form coherent sentences?

SVT04 said:
Obeying traffic laws and applying logic has nothing to do with it.

I'm pretty sure obeying traffic laws has precisely 100% relevancy to this thread. Logic would tell you it's a good idea to obey them and not cry when you're a stupid tool and get busted breaking them.

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Just rolling over and playing submissive dog when confronted with unfair taxation and intrusion into your life is just plain stupid.

Who said anything about taxation?

You're on city funded roads and city owned property and you think a camara helping to catch people break pre-existing laws is intrusion? Are you up in arms when you walk into a bank and their camera "intrude on teh precious privacy!11!!1"?

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So if you are content being stupid then carry on.

Too bad that by your estimation there are lots of stupid people who will be too cautious to get their award...:lol:

I'll continue being cautious and not being a dumbass driver. You can continue pissing and moaning about useless shit nobody cares about.
 
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Rear end crashes from people being rear ended when they panic stop to avoid a ticket .....

I say again ,the main purpose is as a cash cow.

Wow. No need to even respond to this tidbit. That is classic.
 

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