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<blockquote data-quote="KenB" data-source="post: 11252476" data-attributes="member: 122551"><p>Yes, quite a few. Most kits use an air-to-air because they are cheaper and much easier to install. Also, in the past they did the job ok. But with the limited room in the front bumper to get proper airflow for an air-to-air on the newer cars, combined with 600+ rwhp being a normal number nowadays with many cars pushing 800+, an air-to-water is just a better choice in this application in my opinion.</p><p></p><p>I can't really give hard numbers yet, but I will once we have this car running. But I think the performance of this setup will be just as good as any air to air in regular use, hopefully better. But more importantly it will shine at the track. Most people probably aren't going to notice +/- 20-30 rwhp on a 600 rwhp car on the street in most cases. But at the track where things are more critical the air-to-water will outshine the air-to-air every time.</p><p></p><p>Most people shy away from air-to-water due to cost and complexity. Not only do you have the cooler itself, but you have a heat exchanger, tank, lines, mounting brackets and a pump. Most people don't want to go through the trouble of setting that up. Also, most people think of Twin Screws and heatsoak when they think of air-to-water and Mustangs. We get all the benefits of air-to-water with none of the heat soak because our intercooler is placed away from any heat at all. Thankfully we have learned a lot about street air-to-water setup thanks to Ford and the Shelby's Cobras and GTs. Think of how well the Shelby intercooler works on the high horsepower cars and it's sandwiched in-between a hot engine and a very hot blower.</p><p></p><p> If we decide to produce this turbo system, we will also offer the intercooler setup as a complete kit to convert a Vortech or Procharger. We will provide everything you need from the blower to the throttle body. Just need your blower bracket and head unit. It will make it a simple conversion and you would never know it's there. It will support well over 1,000 hp. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I already have a Procharger test car lined up. Joe Coffeeman DeCaria</p><p></p><p>Here is his car:</p><p></p><p><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-UGys15J4uJE/TtcKlxoeSJI/AAAAAAAADZ0/wA_zuflGeBo/s1152/IMAG0097.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>and here is his timeslip from tonight:</p><p></p><p><img src="https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-KXQBmvhoQLQ/TtcKaUKXb6I/AAAAAAAADZ8/8juD6ORxnpU/s640/IMAG0095.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>It's on E85, D1 on about 16 psi, Circle D converter on Radials. Even in cool temps tonight (59*) it was seeing 175 IATs. I think with our intercooler setup it will pick up an insane amount of power.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KenB, post: 11252476, member: 122551"] Yes, quite a few. Most kits use an air-to-air because they are cheaper and much easier to install. Also, in the past they did the job ok. But with the limited room in the front bumper to get proper airflow for an air-to-air on the newer cars, combined with 600+ rwhp being a normal number nowadays with many cars pushing 800+, an air-to-water is just a better choice in this application in my opinion. I can't really give hard numbers yet, but I will once we have this car running. But I think the performance of this setup will be just as good as any air to air in regular use, hopefully better. But more importantly it will shine at the track. Most people probably aren't going to notice +/- 20-30 rwhp on a 600 rwhp car on the street in most cases. But at the track where things are more critical the air-to-water will outshine the air-to-air every time. Most people shy away from air-to-water due to cost and complexity. Not only do you have the cooler itself, but you have a heat exchanger, tank, lines, mounting brackets and a pump. Most people don't want to go through the trouble of setting that up. Also, most people think of Twin Screws and heatsoak when they think of air-to-water and Mustangs. We get all the benefits of air-to-water with none of the heat soak because our intercooler is placed away from any heat at all. Thankfully we have learned a lot about street air-to-water setup thanks to Ford and the Shelby's Cobras and GTs. Think of how well the Shelby intercooler works on the high horsepower cars and it's sandwiched in-between a hot engine and a very hot blower. If we decide to produce this turbo system, we will also offer the intercooler setup as a complete kit to convert a Vortech or Procharger. We will provide everything you need from the blower to the throttle body. Just need your blower bracket and head unit. It will make it a simple conversion and you would never know it's there. It will support well over 1,000 hp. I already have a Procharger test car lined up. Joe Coffeeman DeCaria Here is his car: [img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-UGys15J4uJE/TtcKlxoeSJI/AAAAAAAADZ0/wA_zuflGeBo/s1152/IMAG0097.jpg[/img] and here is his timeslip from tonight: [img]https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-KXQBmvhoQLQ/TtcKaUKXb6I/AAAAAAAADZ8/8juD6ORxnpU/s640/IMAG0095.jpg[/img] It's on E85, D1 on about 16 psi, Circle D converter on Radials. Even in cool temps tonight (59*) it was seeing 175 IATs. I think with our intercooler setup it will pick up an insane amount of power. [/QUOTE]
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