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Thoughts on DCT
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<blockquote data-quote="Tob" data-source="post: 16235006" data-attributes="member: 83412"><p>Tony, I see times all over the map and many of Ferrari's cars are slower than 100ms. I saw a list showing a spectrum of fast shift times this morning...</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4 [Single clutch ISR gearbox]: 50ms[3]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ferrari 430 Scuderia: 60 ms[4]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Maserati GranTurismo MC Stradale 2016: 60ms[5]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">BMW M5 E60 with SMG III: 65-250 ms[6]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">BMW M3 E46 with SMG II: 80 ms[7]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">BMW M3 E92 with M-DCT: 80 ms</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Bugatti Veyron (DSG): 100 ms[8]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ferrari FXX: 100 ms[9]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Drag car: 100 ms[<em>circular reference</em>]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Maserati GranTurismo S Cambiocorsa: 100 ms</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG: 100 ms[7]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fastest Automatic/semi-automatic transmission: 100 ms</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Lexus LC500: 120ms[10]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Chevrolet Camaro ZL1: ~150 ms (36% faster than PDK[11])</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Clio RS EDC 200: 150 ms (race mode)[12]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Enzo Ferrari: 150 ms[7]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Nissan GT-R: 150 ms (R Mode)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">FXX Evoluzione: 160 ms</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Lexus LFA: 200 ms</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale & Ferrari F430: 250 ms[7]</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">BMW M3 E36 with SMG I: 250 ms[7]</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Aston Martin Vanquish: 250 ms[7]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The fastest (Race gearbox) manual: 250 ms[<em>citation needed</em>]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ferrari 575M: 280 ms</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Lamborghini Performante DCT LDF: 290 ms</li> </ul><p>Other Mentions:</p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">AUDI (DSG)(Also S tronic): 8 ms<strong>*</strong>[<em>circular reference</em>]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Volkswagen (DSG)(Also S tronic): 8 ms<strong>*</strong>[<em>circular reference</em>]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Alfa Romeo Mito & Alfa Romeo Giulietta (2010)Dual Dry Clutch Transmission TCT: 8 ms<strong>*</strong>[13]</li> </ul><p>*This is an impossibly fast claim which is widely seen on the internet. This could refer to the gear engagement time of the DCT transmission, which would be the time it takes for the shift fork to select the next requested gear. Actual Up-shift time for the VW DSG and PDK may be closer to 200ms.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd say the GT500's Tremec DCT is pretty ****ing fast considering the above.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tob, post: 16235006, member: 83412"] Tony, I see times all over the map and many of Ferrari's cars are slower than 100ms. I saw a list showing a spectrum of fast shift times this morning... [LIST] [*]Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4 [Single clutch ISR gearbox]: 50ms[3] [*]Ferrari 430 Scuderia: 60 ms[4] [*]Maserati GranTurismo MC Stradale 2016: 60ms[5] [*]BMW M5 E60 with SMG III: 65-250 ms[6] [*]BMW M3 E46 with SMG II: 80 ms[7] [*]BMW M3 E92 with M-DCT: 80 ms [*]Bugatti Veyron (DSG): 100 ms[8] [*]Ferrari FXX: 100 ms[9] [*]Drag car: 100 ms[[i]circular reference[/i]] [*]Maserati GranTurismo S Cambiocorsa: 100 ms [*]Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG: 100 ms[7] [*]Fastest Automatic/semi-automatic transmission: 100 ms [*]Lexus LC500: 120ms[10] [*]Chevrolet Camaro ZL1: ~150 ms (36% faster than PDK[11]) [*]Clio RS EDC 200: 150 ms (race mode)[12] [*]Enzo Ferrari: 150 ms[7] [*]Nissan GT-R: 150 ms (R Mode) [*]FXX Evoluzione: 160 ms [*]Lexus LFA: 200 ms [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale & Ferrari F430: 250 ms[7] [/LIST] [LIST] [*]BMW M3 E36 with SMG I: 250 ms[7] [/LIST] [LIST] [*]Aston Martin Vanquish: 250 ms[7] [*]The fastest (Race gearbox) manual: 250 ms[[i]citation needed[/i]] [*]Ferrari 575M: 280 ms [*]Lamborghini Performante DCT LDF: 290 ms [/LIST] Other Mentions: [LIST] [*]AUDI (DSG)(Also S tronic): 8 ms[b]*[/b][[i]circular reference[/i]] [*]Volkswagen (DSG)(Also S tronic): 8 ms[b]*[/b][[i]circular reference[/i]] [*]Alfa Romeo Mito & Alfa Romeo Giulietta (2010)Dual Dry Clutch Transmission TCT: 8 ms[b]*[/b][13] [/LIST] *This is an impossibly fast claim which is widely seen on the internet. This could refer to the gear engagement time of the DCT transmission, which would be the time it takes for the shift fork to select the next requested gear. Actual Up-shift time for the VW DSG and PDK may be closer to 200ms. I'd say the GT500's Tremec DCT is pretty ****ing fast considering the above.:) [/QUOTE]
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