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recieved this in an e-mail, makes you think. not sure if anything like this has been posted so sorry for any repost


This is very good reading for any American, Republican or Democrat.
I do not know who the man was that wrote this but he has captured the
problems very well. Please pass this on to as many people as you can.
It needs to be read by every American. If we do not wake up quick it is
going to be too late.

THE WORLD SITUATION - A LETTER TO MY SONS This was written by a retired
attorney, to his sons, May 19, 2004.

Dear Tom, Kevin, Kirby and Ted, As your father, I believe I owe it to you
to share some thoughts on the present world situation. We have over the
years discussed a lot of important things, like going to college, jobs
and so forth. But this really takes precedence over any of those
discussions. I hope this might give you a longer term perspective that fewer and fewer
of my generation are left to speak to.

To be sure you understand that this is not politically flavored, I will
tell you that since Franklin D. Roosevelt, who led us through pre and
WWII (1933-1945) up to and including our present President, I have without
exception, supported our presidents on all matters of international conflict.
This would include just naming a few in addition to President Roosevelt -
WWII:

President Truman - Korean War 1950; President Kennedy - Bay of Pigs
(1961); President Kennedy - Vietnam (1961); Eight presidents (5
Republican & 4 Democrat) during the cold war (1945 - 1991); President
Clinton's strikes on Bosnia (1995) and on Iraq (1998).

So be sure you read this as completely non-political or otherwise you
will miss the point.

Our country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we
know it, that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes
WWII). The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are
very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer who
realize what losing really means.

First, le t's examine a few basics
1. When did the threat to us start?

Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as far as the United
States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the
following attacks on us: Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979; Beirut, Lebanon
Embassy 1983; Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983; Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am
flight to New York 1988; First New York World Trade Center attack 1993; Dhahran, Saudi
Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996; Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy
1998; Dar es Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998; Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;
New York World Trade Center 2001; Pentagon 2001. (Note that during the
period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581 terrorist attacks worldwide).

2. Why were we attacked?

Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks
happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush
#1, Clinton and Bush #2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or
Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their
immediate predecessors, P residents Ford or Carter.

4. Who were the attackers?

In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

5. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%

6. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?

Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the
predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under the
dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no
difference. You either went along with the administration or you were eliminated.
There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for political
reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests).
(<http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm>). Thus, almost the same
number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as the 6 million holocaust
Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom heard of anything other than
the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the world focused on the
Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone who got in his way of
exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world - German, Christian or
any others. Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on
the US, but kill all in the way - their own people or the Spanish, French
or anyone else.. 5 The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans
were of no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many
peaceful Muslims there may be, they are no protection for us from the
terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing - by
their own pronouncements - killing all of us infidels. I don't blame the
peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die?

6. So who are we at war with?

There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the
Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid
verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if
you don't clearly recogni ze and articulate who you are fighting.
So with that background, now to the two major questions
1. Can we lose this war?
2. What does losing really mean?

If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions.

We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the
major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the
answer to the second question - What does losing mean? It would appear
that a great many of us think that losing the war means hanging our
heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our business, like
post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get. What losing
really means is We would no longer be the premier country in the world.
The attacks will not subside, but rather will steadily increase.
Remember, they want us dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us
quiet, they would not have produced an increasing series of attacks
against us over the past 18 years. The plan was clearly to terrorist
attack us until we were neutered and submissive to them.

We would of course have no future support from other nations for fear of
reprisals and for the reason that they would see we are impotent and
cannot help them.

They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will
be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It
doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its
troops from Iraq.

Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and told
them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do, will
be done.

Spain is finished.

The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they
might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished
too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us.
However, it may already be too late for France. France is already 20%
Muslim and fading fast.

If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will
all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us
if they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims,
how could anyone else? The Muslims fully know what is riding on this war
and therefore are completely committed to winning at any cost. We better
know it too and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.

Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple.

Until we recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put
100% of our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take
that 100% effort to win.

So, how can we lose the war? Again, the answer is simple. We can lose
the war by imploding. That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to
recognize the enemy and their purpose and really digging in and lending
full support to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that
we can lose. If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can
win.

Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the life
and death seriousness of this situation.

President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.

Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men
between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow profiling.
Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This is war.
For the duration we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights
we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of
our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them
permanently.

And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil
rights during WWII and immediately restored them after the victor y and,
in fact, added many more since then. Do I blame President Bush or
President Clinton before him? No, I blame us for blithely assuming we
can maintain all of our Political Correctness and all of our civil rights
during this conflict and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of
those words apply to war. Get them out of your ZZZhead.

Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us
lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is
because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that
conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and
weakening, it concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our
cause.

Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media
regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war perhaps exemplifies best
what I am saying. We have recently had an issue involving the treatment
of a few Muslim prisoners of war by a small group of our military police.
These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing
their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out
their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for
disagreeing with Saddam Hussein. And just a few years ago these same
type prisoners chemically killed 400,000 of their own people for the same
reason. They are also the same type enemy fighters who recently were
burning Americans and dragging their charred corpses through the streets
of Iraq And still more recently the same type enemy that was and is
providing videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of
an American prisoner they held.
Compare this with some of our press and politicians who for several days
have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of some
Muslim prisoners - not bu r ning them, not dragging their charred corpses
through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.

Can this be for real?

The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the
Secretary of Defense. If this doesn't show the complete lack of
comprehension and understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are
fighting, the life and death struggle we are in and the disastrous
results of losing this war, nothing can.

To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this prisoner
issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned - totally
oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any
other country, can survive this internal strife.

Again I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media
people are disloyal. It simply means that they absolutely oblivious to
the magnitude of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim
terrorists have been pushing us for many years. Remember, the Muslim
terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels. That translates into all
non-Muslims - not just in the United States, but throughout the world.
We are the last bastion of defense.

We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant'. That charge
is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe
that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and
minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind
our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world. We can't. If we
don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive, and no
other free country in the World will survive if we are defeated.

And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow
freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of
the press, equal rights for anyone - let alone everyone, equal status or
any status fo r women, or that have been productive in one single way that
contributes to the good of the World.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or
we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of the
Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books
to be written or read

If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims
take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to
increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little
by little on the established French traditions. The French will be
fighting among themselves over what should or should not be done, which
will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve.
Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some
external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away,
politically correct piece by politically correct piece. And they are
giving those freedoms away to those who have shown, worldwide, that they
abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to themselves, once
they are in power. They have universally shown that when they have taken
over, they then start brutally killing each other over who will be the
few who control the masses.
Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct, about the
"peaceful Muslims"?

I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
united, there is no way that we can lose. I believe that after the
election, the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical
situation we are in and will unite to save our country. It is your
future we are talking about.

Do whatever you can to preserve it.

Love, Dad
 

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I'm not reading that whole thing first thing in the morning. Cliff's notes?
 

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You should, excellent read, two :thumbsup: :rockon::beer:
Originally posted by LBguy
I'm not reading that whole thing first thing in the morning. Cliff's notes?
 

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I have read that before, but a damn good write up none-the-less. I hate political correctness. It is such crap when you cannot name the enemy. If WWII happened in this day and age, would it be politically incorrect to name the Nazi Germans as the enemy?
 

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This is war.
For the duration we are going to have to give up some of the civil rights
we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to lose some of
our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of them
permanently.
So we should give up our freedom to prevent the terrorists from taking our freedom, which is what they wanted. Makes sense:rollseyes

This guy is comparing the sacrifices of WWII to the war on terror, saying that our loving trustworthy goverment will restore out freedom upon victory. Yeah right. In WWII, we were fighting a much more organized enemy (another government) that we could force a formal surrender form. This time, we are fighting guerillas that have no allegience to any goverment, and we cannot just declare victory and have everything return to normal. This war is going to last until either 1)The west capitulates 2)The Muslim world capitulates or turns on itself and reforms 3)The west implodes into communist police states. Thats it, those are the only ways that this can end, and the war will continue for however many decades with increasingly deadly attacks until one of those outcomes occurs. And I can absolutely guarentee that some of the politicians here want to use the war as an excuse to scrap the constitution and WANT to take your rights. If you want to give up your rights and then think for a second that you will ever get them back then you are a damned fool. Giving up our rights is the surest way to lose the war.

Without our constitutional rights, this country is nothing. Without our freedom, we're just another clump of dirt no better than red China.
 
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All you do is bash.

Whats your answer? How would you fix it? Lets negiotate(sp?) with them? Lets be more considerate to them?

If you have no trust in your government, then you have no trust in your country. Thats just like supporting the troops, but not the war, riiiight.

These guerillas have an alligence to be Jihaddist. And, they are organized. Do you forget the almost similatenous (sp?) attacks on theh Embassy in Africa? Or the 4 planes that were hijacked an ran into buildings? That took lots of time and planning to accomplish that.

your right, there will be no formal surrender, but we will win. And it wil lnot be a short term fight. People have to realize that we have to dig in for the long term fight.

Originally posted by Maniac Mechanic
So we should give up our freedom to prevent the terrorists from taking our freedom, which is what they wanted. Makes sense:rollseyes

This guy is comparing the sacrifices of WWII to the war on terror, saying that our loving trustworthy goverment will restore out freedom upon victory. Yeah right. In WWII, we were fighting a much more organized enemy (another government) that we could force a formal surrender form. This time, we are fighting guerillas that have no allegience to any goverment, and we cannot just declare victory and have everything return to normal. This war is going to last until either 1)The west capitulates 2)The Muslim world capitulates or turns on itself and reforms 3)The west implodes into communist police states. Thats it, those are the only ways that this can end, and the war will continue for however many decades with increasingly deadly attacks until one of those outcomes occurs. And I can absolutely guarentee that some of the politicians here want to use the war as an excuse to scrap the constitution and WANT to take your rights. If you want to give up your rights and then think for a second that you will ever get them back then you are a damned fool.
 

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Originally posted by TrueBlueGT
I have read that before, but a damn good write up none-the-less. I hate political correctness. It is such crap when you cannot name the enemy. If WWII happened in this day and age, would it be politically incorrect to name the Nazi Germans as the enemy?

If there's another world war in this day and age, chances are, it will be the last.
 

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Originally posted by RTStabler51
All you do is bash.

Whats your answer? How would you fix it? Lets negiotate(sp?) with them? Lets be more considerate to them?

These guerillas have an alligence to be Jihaddist. And, they are organized. Do you forget the almost similatenous (sp?) attacks on theh Embassy in Africa? Or the 4 planes that were hijacked an ran into buildings? That took lots of time and planning to accomplish that.

your right, there will be no formal surrender, but we will win. And it wil lnot be a short term fight. People have to realize that we have to dig in for the long term fight.

People (including you) are going to have to get 3 things through thier thick skulls:

1. This is not like any war this country has ever fought. Old precidents no longer apply, we need new strategies and tactics to deal with terrorism.

2. Yes, this really is a clash between the larger islamic world and the west. Mainsteam islam in most of the world is NOT peaceful, the problem is not just the radical fringe. The only way to negotiate is with a bullet.

3. Some of our own politicans WILL use the threat of terrorism as an excuse to seize power, ditch the constitution, and if not carefully monitered by a vigilent public, will turn this country into a police state. Look back at history, it's happened many times before.

These people are organized, but more in the way that the Vietcong were than anyone else that we've fought.

If you have no trust in your government, then you have no trust in your country. Thats just like supporting the troops, but not the war, riiiight.
Lets see how much you trust your government if Hanoi John gets elected. Get this through your skull, goose stepping for your government is not patriotism, supporting the principals that this country was founded on is. The government is not the heart and soul of this country, it's people are. I love this country, but I despise the people that would use their positions of power to destroy everything it stands for.

You want to know how I would deal with the war?
I would seal the borders using troops, deny entry to people from know terrorist supporting countries (they can't strike us if they can't get in), profile people (yes I think it's legal), get this country off the OPEC crackpipe, and make it very clear that every country that harbors and funds terrorists is a target of military attack (not like the double standards we have for the Saudis, who have been caught in the last year paying Al-Qaida, Hezbolla, Hamas, etc. and got away with it). Then I pull the troops out of Saudi Arabia and adopt a stategy of sealing off the Jihadists in their little sandbox. Impose sanctions, refuse to have anything to do with them, and let them start killing each other or Europeans that keep welcoming them in.

But of course none of this will happen because:
1)We're addicted to the sweet OPEC crack (so we can't really shove the Saudi's around)
2)Too many people want to think that we can just negotiate our way out of this
3)Too many people want "international support" from the EU or UN. Sorry folks, Europe is a walking corpse. There are too many Jihad Joes in Europe for them to really do anything without being attacked by the terrorists that are already there. We're in this alone.
4)People want to trust the government too much. The government is not your friend folks. There are plenty of politicians that really do want your guns, really do want to suspend the constitution, and really do want to turn this into a socialist police state, and will use the treat of terror to terrorize the gullible sheep of this country into accepting it. Don't belive it could happen? Just elect John Kerry and watch how quickly American citizens become the terrorist suspects.

If there's another world war in this day and age, chances are, it will be the last.
This is World War III
 
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I agree with quite a bit you said :eek:

I think everyone knows that this is a different enemy and has to be dealt with differently. The military and other government agencies are adapting to this kind of a fight. The problem is, in today's world, policies and strategies don't change over night. To much political BS is in the way that has accumulated over the years.

I'm curious as to where you get that most of mainstream Muslims are NOT peaceful? Have you lived in a Muslim country? Have you dealt with Muslims on a daily basis? People with that mindset need to understand a few things, those non-peaceful (to you) Muslims have a different mindset than the western. Have been raised on different values than the western. Hence the therm 'Radical' or 'Militant' Muslim. Where most Muslims live, its either you or them, and what would you choose? Thus, probalby why alot of the outside world sees them as 'not peaceful'.

I also belive that during times of war and great strife on the country, that thigns are not going to stay the same. They cannot. If they do stay the same, then history (ala 9/11 type attacks or worse) WILL repeat themselves. If you really believe the government is out to get you then think again.

I believe every is entitled to their opinions, but the whole 'The government is out to get you...(minus maybe taxes)' is a little old. In today's age, there are to many ****ing pinko's and crybaby's that won't let the government get that grip (if it wanted it).

And I actually agree with most of your country plan as well...

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Originally posted by Maniac Mechanic
People (including you) are going to have to get 3 things through thier thick skulls:

1. This is not like any war this country has ever fought. Old precidents no longer apply, we need new strategies and tactics to deal with terrorism.

2. Yes, this really is a clash between the larger islamic world and the west. Mainsteam islam in most of the world is NOT peaceful, the problem is not just the radical fringe. The only way to negotiate is with a bullet.

3. Some of our own politicans WILL use the threat of terrorism as an excuse to seize power, ditch the constitution, and if not carefully monitered by a vigilent public, will turn this country into a police state. Look back at history, it's happened many times before.

These people are organized, but more in the way that the Vietcong were than anyone else that we've fought.

Lets see how much you trust your government if Hanoi John gets elected. Get this through your skull, goose stepping for your government is not patriotism, supporting the principals that this country was founded on is. The government is not the heart and soul of this country, it's people are. I love this country, but I despise the people that would use their positions of power to destroy everything it stands for.

You want to know how I would deal with the war?
I would seal the borders using troops, deny entry to people from know terrorist supporting countries (they can't strike us if they can't get in), profile people (yes I think it's legal), get this country off the OPEC crackpipe, and make it very clear that every country that harbors and funds terrorists is a target of military attack (not like the double standards we have for the Saudis, who have been caught in the last year paying Al-Qaida, Hezbolla, Hamas, etc. and got away with it). Then I pull the troops out of Saudi Arabia and adopt a stategy of sealing off the Jihadists in their little sandbox. Impose sanctions, refuse to have anything to do with them, and let them start killing each other or Europeans that keep welcoming them in.

But of course none of this will happen because:
1)We're addicted to the sweet OPEC crack (so we can't really shove the Saudi's around)
2)Too many people want to think that we can just negotiate our way out of this
3)Too many people want "international support" from the EU or UN. Sorry folks, Europe is a walking corpse. There are too many Jihad Joes in Europe for them to really do anything without being attacked by the terrorists that are already there. We're in this alone.
4)People want to trust the government too much. The government is not your friend folks. There are plenty of politicians that really do want your guns, really do want to suspend the constitution, and really do want to turn this into a socialist police state, and will use the treat of terror to terrorize the gullible sheep of this country into accepting it. Don't belive it could happen? Just elect John Kerry and watch how quickly American citizens become the terrorist suspects.

This is World War III
 

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In today's age, there are to many ****ing pinko's and crybaby's that won't let the government get that grip (if it wanted it).
The problem is that so many of the pinko commies and power freaks are already in the government (There are dozens of members of Socialist International, a spinoff of Communist International in the congress already, KGB generals working for The Dept. of Homeland Security, etc.). I don't think that the government is "out to get" people...yet. I think that unless people do get in the way, then it could come to the point that you have the persecution of protesters and political dissidents. I'm not trying to insult you, but I don't think that you know the extend of the power that some federal agencies and officials now have, or the history of government abuse in times of crisis. I could sit here and list the laws, executive orders, military orders, etc. that I know of, or you could just start researching on your own. You would be amazed what's going on right under your nose.

Watch how quickly dormant executive orders are enacted after the next 9/11. We'll be under virtual martial law, no joke.
 

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I actually work for a government agency ;-) It worked with Al Gore to invent the internet, so I see Federal AGencies at work every single day ;-)

Originally posted by Maniac Mechanic
I'm not trying to insult you, but I don't think that you know the extend of the power that some federal agencies and officials now have, or the history of government abuse in times of crisis. I could sit here and list the laws, executive orders, military orders, etc. that I know of, or you could just start researching on your own. You would be amazed what's going on right under your nose.

Watch how quickly dormant executive orders are enacted after the next 9/11. We'll be under virtual martial law, no joke.
 

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Originally posted by RTStabler51
I actually work for a government agency ;-) It worked with Al Gore to invent the internet, so I see Federal AGencies at work every single day ;-)
Al Gore sharing the limelight with DARPA? Wow, that's news to me:lol1:
 

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