If they truly drop 400 lbs, I couldn't care less about the increase in power.
I dont see how one can say that the 5.0 wont be gaining any more power N/A......The 5.0 is HARDLY maxed out for streetable N/A hp. Not even close. People can make 430 whp with a tune and basic bolt ons and those are perfectly reliable and streetable. Id even go so far to say that the 5.0s out there making 500 hp to the TIRES (not crank) are quite streetable. If Ford really wanted to, they could bring out a production 5.0 that makes 475 hp NA and meet all quality, reliability and NVH requirements without even breaking a sweat AND it could get better mileage than the current 5.0.
does anyone else see that if the trinity is going away why wouldnt ford just take all they've learned with it and incorporate it into the coyote. im thinking eb 5.0 punched out with ptwa cylinders for a cobra gt500 variant, i mean they did patent the process so it seems completely possible. and newer v engines are going oversquare anyway in favor of more reliable high rpm operation.
the 5.0 coyote makes 442hp at 6600RPM to me that seems maxxed out for a reliable mass produced engine that only displaces 302 cubic inches. with long tube header's the 5.0 makes 459HP at the stock 6600RPM. to get the 5.0 to hit 475hp a tune long tube headers CAI you're looking at 480hp possibly and it being a smaller engine the power will peak at 7000RPM. this also depends on air temp and altitude/elevation. 90% of street driven cars do not see 6500 nor will they see 7000 why make peak power at such high rpm when the driver will never spin it that high? only 10% of mustang buyers race their vehicles. you want reliable power? the smaller engine is not the way to go, more cubic inches and or forced induction.
this is crank power.
the trinity isn't going away, why would ford incorporate what they learned from it and put it in to the 5.0 coyote? technically the coyote is a better designed engine the problem being it does not have a decent size bore! strokes are different however still an advantage over the 5.0 therefor both engines in N/A form the 5.8l will always make more power. there is a 14 percent volume increase over the 5.0.
PTWA is in all ford engines from 10+.
reliable high rpm horsepower? does not exist unless a small amount of forced air is brought into the equation. eco-boost a 5.0? no such thing!
Your math is a bit off. The COYOTE makes 420 hp at 6600 rpms, the ROADRUNNER makes 444 at 7400 rpms. While the cost of replicating Roadrunner levels of performance in the coyote may be unrealistic, the point is its not impossible. Now, the engine technology is different, but the BMW m3 makes 440 at 8000 rpms from a 4.4L. Small engines are perfectly capable of making power, and modern DOHC engines are perfectly capable of revving, it would not be unrealistic to see gains from the 5.0 with very little input.
the 5.0 coyote makes 442hp at 6600RPM to me that seems maxxed out for a reliable mass produced engine that only displaces 302 cubic inches. with long tube header's the 5.0 makes 459HP at the stock 6600RPM. to get the 5.0 to hit 475hp a tune long tube headers CAI you're looking at 480hp possibly and it being a smaller engine the power will peak at 7000RPM. this also depends on air temp and altitude/elevation. 90% of street driven cars do not see 6500 nor will they see 7000 why make peak power at such high rpm when the driver will never spin it that high? only 10% of mustang buyers race their vehicles. you want reliable power? the smaller engine is not the way to go, more cubic inches and or forced induction.
this is crank power.
Or they add direct injection and increase the compression and hit that power goal well raising power across the whole rpm band. More then one way for ford to go about making their hp goals which btw most believe ford will only raise the production hp number to 450 to sit up right next to the new LT1.
Your math is a bit off. The COYOTE makes 420 hp at 6600 rpms, the ROADRUNNER makes 444 at 7400 rpms. While the cost of replicating Roadrunner levels of performance in the coyote may be unrealistic, the point is its not impossible. Now, the engine technology is different, but the BMW m3 makes 440 at 8000 rpms from a 4.4L. Small engines are perfectly capable of making power, and modern DOHC engines are perfectly capable of revving, it would not be unrealistic to see gains from the 5.0 with very little input.
even if ford were to bring DI out they wont up the compression.[/IMG]
a Ford powertrain engineer explained that direct injection is NOT always a step ahead for fuel economy and emissions--especially when considering cost, complexity, and how the technology will pair with other innovations. "When the program started, it [the new Duratec in the Mustang] was a direct injection engine," said Greg T. Johnson, a powertrain integration manager whose responsibilities include both engines. But according to Johnson, Ford powertrain engineers eventually realized that leaving the direct injection aspect out of the design allowed charge-cooling advantages--allowing engineers to better optimize intake air temps for fuel economy, power, and emissions.Why not what makes you think they won't raise the compression. Why on earth would they add it and not raise the compression that makes no logical sense. On Ford's naturally aspirated cars they run 12:1 CR on 87 octane. mazda has done as high as 13:1 on 87 octane. Hell Ford runs 11:1 CR + 16 PSI of boost on the new Fiesta ST. harder Café standards are coming down they don't need a ton more hp to be competitive another 30-40 hp will do it. How could anybody at Ford possibly think it's a better idea to stroke out a motor that already gets bad MPG instead of adding new technology and making the engine more efficient in every way including gas mileage. They could make the car competitive power wise with just direct injection and the more aggressive tuning and better head flow it provides. That's if they refuse to raise the compression to the same levels the other direct injected cars runs for some unknown highly unlikely reason. It literally makes zero sense.
600HP NA...? Selling the Ducati for a down payment lol... I will have a GT350 AND GT500... sick sick sick...