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Retrofitting a '13 GT500 carbon fiber driveshaft to an '07-'12 GT500
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<blockquote data-quote="Tob" data-source="post: 12478596" data-attributes="member: 83412"><p>Jim, I figured it was there for NVH reasons. I also found it interesting that Ford's removal of the ring coincided with shaft failure complaints. In my mind I was thinking along the lines of the front balancer issue for early GT500's where Ford ultimately went with a lighter unit there as well.</p><p></p><p>What I have been trying to discern was whether it was there due to NVH issues because of the 6060 itself (in Ford's configuration) or was due to the two piece <em>in concert with the 6060</em> leading to an oscillation, harmonic, etc. But with them removing it I feel much more comfortable doing it as well, especially given that changing to a CF shaft should throw all (or some or most) of the factory shaft NVH issues out of the window anyway.</p><p></p><p>As to pressing the damper off of the flange. I had wondered about that since the moment I saw a photo of the newer flange that Ford was using without it. I couldn't tell if it had been electrically welded together but I did notice a rubber-like elastomeric ring (similar to a seal of sorts) that was in place.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]400822[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>It would certainly make sense for Ford to simply use the base flange on the '10-'12. I wasn't sure if it would be different in any way but I take your word for it. You indeed saved me the money towards the purchase. I'll do the same and press the ring off of the flange I have. Thanks - bigtime.</p><p></p><p>Regarding having a flange made, I did find a company in Phoenix that says they can make most any fixed flange for a custom install. They are four wheel drive based in their niche and have one of the worst websites I have ever seen which made me a little queasy about ever tapping them as a resource. I'm going to stick with the gentleman I've been in contact with but thanks for letting us know about Mike, very impressive company. If I run into a hurdle I can't clear I'll certainly contact him.</p><p></p><p>And Jim, did you find adequate overlap at the rear flange? Here's a couple of shots of the stock pinion flange on an axle assembly I installed in my '09. I'm wondering if the stock '13 CF shaft CV joint cover will fit inside properly, index bolt hole wise, as well as it being tall enough...</p><p></p><p><img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9db00b3127ccec77f715bfe4900000040O00AbNmbhq2aNWQPbz4Q/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9db02b3127ccec77a27d26efe00000040O00AbNmbhq2aNWQPbz4Q/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>When I look at the 2013 pinion flange I see a raised lip that while not 360* around, extends the flange and looks like it is done to contain or capture more of the CV joint. What I don't know is if the change to the pinion flange was done solely for the '13 or if it was already in place in '11 or '12. Anybody with one of those years care to look at theirs?</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]400823[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Dave, I don't want to badmouth any of the aftermarket offerings (please don't get me wrong, as I know that is an implication that you weren't intending at all). These are small businessmen that were willing to take a hefty risk and I greatly respect that. Suffice it to say, I don't mind paying the additional premium for the OEM developed shaft. Were FRPP to release a kit I'm sure it would be competitively priced with other units for sale on the market. But alas, they have chosen not to.</p><p></p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tob, post: 12478596, member: 83412"] Jim, I figured it was there for NVH reasons. I also found it interesting that Ford's removal of the ring coincided with shaft failure complaints. In my mind I was thinking along the lines of the front balancer issue for early GT500's where Ford ultimately went with a lighter unit there as well. What I have been trying to discern was whether it was there due to NVH issues because of the 6060 itself (in Ford's configuration) or was due to the two piece [I]in concert with the 6060[/I] leading to an oscillation, harmonic, etc. But with them removing it I feel much more comfortable doing it as well, especially given that changing to a CF shaft should throw all (or some or most) of the factory shaft NVH issues out of the window anyway. As to pressing the damper off of the flange. I had wondered about that since the moment I saw a photo of the newer flange that Ford was using without it. I couldn't tell if it had been electrically welded together but I did notice a rubber-like elastomeric ring (similar to a seal of sorts) that was in place. [ATTACH=full]400822[/ATTACH] It would certainly make sense for Ford to simply use the base flange on the '10-'12. I wasn't sure if it would be different in any way but I take your word for it. You indeed saved me the money towards the purchase. I'll do the same and press the ring off of the flange I have. Thanks - bigtime. Regarding having a flange made, I did find a company in Phoenix that says they can make most any fixed flange for a custom install. They are four wheel drive based in their niche and have one of the worst websites I have ever seen which made me a little queasy about ever tapping them as a resource. I'm going to stick with the gentleman I've been in contact with but thanks for letting us know about Mike, very impressive company. If I run into a hurdle I can't clear I'll certainly contact him. And Jim, did you find adequate overlap at the rear flange? Here's a couple of shots of the stock pinion flange on an axle assembly I installed in my '09. I'm wondering if the stock '13 CF shaft CV joint cover will fit inside properly, index bolt hole wise, as well as it being tall enough... [img]http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9db00b3127ccec77f715bfe4900000040O00AbNmbhq2aNWQPbz4Q/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/[/img] [img]http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9db02b3127ccec77a27d26efe00000040O00AbNmbhq2aNWQPbz4Q/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480/[/img] When I look at the 2013 pinion flange I see a raised lip that while not 360* around, extends the flange and looks like it is done to contain or capture more of the CV joint. What I don't know is if the change to the pinion flange was done solely for the '13 or if it was already in place in '11 or '12. Anybody with one of those years care to look at theirs? [ATTACH=full]400823[/ATTACH] Dave, I don't want to badmouth any of the aftermarket offerings (please don't get me wrong, as I know that is an implication that you weren't intending at all). These are small businessmen that were willing to take a hefty risk and I greatly respect that. Suffice it to say, I don't mind paying the additional premium for the OEM developed shaft. Were FRPP to release a kit I'm sure it would be competitively priced with other units for sale on the market. But alas, they have chosen not to. :( [/QUOTE]
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