Home
What's new
Latest activity
Authors
Store
Latest reviews
Search products
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
New listings
New products
New profile posts
Latest activity
Members
Current visitors
New profile posts
Search profile posts
Log in
Register
Cart
Cart
Loading…
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Search titles only
By:
Menu
Log in
Register
Navigation
Install the app
Install
More options
Change style
Contact us
Close Menu
Forums
SVTPerformance's Chain of Restaurants
Road Side Pub
Religion vs Science debate: bring it in here
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="TheCPE" data-source="post: 13391946" data-attributes="member: 124065"><p>But that is just it, I, you, humanity doesn’t need a book to tell us not to be a dick. </p><p></p><p>The argument could be made that a few thousand years ago maybe it was a decent solution that could quickly give birth to ethical civilizations. That by saying a sky man was watching and would eternally torture you if you weren’t “good” more quickly brought about morality than just telling primitive man that solidarity was important merely for the sake of group cohesion sans reward.</p><p></p><p>Look at all of the ideas over the millennia that man has discarded as he outpaced the usefulness of them. Isn’t it clear that religion is just another example of one of these ancient primitive ideas? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So you believe unicorns exist? Santa Claus? There isn’t any evidence these entities don’t exist either. This is the common misuse of logic that many of faith use as a rationale. It is impossible to prove anything does not exist. That is not positive proof of the assertion it does. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>None of these are examples of absolute faith. At the most they are examples of rationale faith.</p><p></p><p>There is evidence of justice. We can witness our judicial system flawed as it might be properly and thoroughly provide justice in many of not perhaps most situations. I don’t have to take anyone for their word that justice can be done, I can observe it. I’ve never observed a god.</p><p></p><p>The goodness of mankind similarly can be witnessed. Man might not always do what is right or good but there are plenty of stories and evidence that people do act righteously. Once again, something than can be witnessed, observed.</p><p></p><p>Honest government? I don’t believe that exists and I haven’t seen any evidence of that yet :beer:</p><p></p><p>Love, like goodness and justice is observable. Both the results of the emotion based in actions as well as the personal feelings can be experienced. </p><p> </p><p>None of these enter the realm of absolute faith, whereas I am required to suspend any and all objectivity and expectation of empiricism when it comes to god these concepts are rationale expectations based upon observation and experience.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>That is the point. MEN of the bronze age would think like and provide the ideas within the scriptures. An omnipotent, omniscient god shouldn’t have thought like bronze age humans and surely should have been capable of directing man better if he truly was the all powerful creator of the universe.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Doesn’t it make much more sense that fallible, impotent humans created an imperfect, transient god?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheCPE, post: 13391946, member: 124065"] But that is just it, I, you, humanity doesn’t need a book to tell us not to be a dick. The argument could be made that a few thousand years ago maybe it was a decent solution that could quickly give birth to ethical civilizations. That by saying a sky man was watching and would eternally torture you if you weren’t “good” more quickly brought about morality than just telling primitive man that solidarity was important merely for the sake of group cohesion sans reward. Look at all of the ideas over the millennia that man has discarded as he outpaced the usefulness of them. Isn’t it clear that religion is just another example of one of these ancient primitive ideas? So you believe unicorns exist? Santa Claus? There isn’t any evidence these entities don’t exist either. This is the common misuse of logic that many of faith use as a rationale. It is impossible to prove anything does not exist. That is not positive proof of the assertion it does. None of these are examples of absolute faith. At the most they are examples of rationale faith. There is evidence of justice. We can witness our judicial system flawed as it might be properly and thoroughly provide justice in many of not perhaps most situations. I don’t have to take anyone for their word that justice can be done, I can observe it. I’ve never observed a god. The goodness of mankind similarly can be witnessed. Man might not always do what is right or good but there are plenty of stories and evidence that people do act righteously. Once again, something than can be witnessed, observed. Honest government? I don’t believe that exists and I haven’t seen any evidence of that yet :beer: Love, like goodness and justice is observable. Both the results of the emotion based in actions as well as the personal feelings can be experienced. None of these enter the realm of absolute faith, whereas I am required to suspend any and all objectivity and expectation of empiricism when it comes to god these concepts are rationale expectations based upon observation and experience. That is the point. MEN of the bronze age would think like and provide the ideas within the scriptures. An omnipotent, omniscient god shouldn’t have thought like bronze age humans and surely should have been capable of directing man better if he truly was the all powerful creator of the universe. Doesn’t it make much more sense that fallible, impotent humans created an imperfect, transient god? [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
SVTPerformance's Chain of Restaurants
Road Side Pub
Religion vs Science debate: bring it in here
Top