Rear End TSB
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why wouldnt you pay for it yourself? you decided the powertrain warranty didnt matter when you started modding.
put normal tires on the car and you should be ok, but every service writer is different.
put normal tires on the car and you should be ok, but every service writer is different.
It doesn't hurt to try to save a bunch of $$$ if you don't have too and get it covered under warranty. Some dealers are mod friendly and look the other way. Dealerships get paid more money to do a warranty job then if they were to bill me personally from what I have heard.
I would just take it to a reputable place and have it fixed, that's what I did. Once the dealership sees that Whipple under the hood your warranty will be voided, and it will cost a lot more to have the dealer fix it than some other shop.
The dealer will tell you the rear end is leaking because it wasn't designed to work with the amount of horsepower/torque the Whipple is putting out. Besides, it's not the dealers fault you started modding and consequently voided your warranty.
I knew my warranty was out the window about a week after I bought my car (pulley).
The dealer will tell you the rear end is leaking because it wasn't designed to work with the amount of horsepower/torque the Whipple is putting out. Besides, it's not the dealers fault you started modding and consequently voided your warranty.
I knew my warranty was out the window about a week after I bought my car (pulley).
UKnow said:
That is absolute BS! Take it from someone who's family owned a Ford dealership...nothing is further from the truth. The dealership warranty rate is based on many things. But their labor rate (time) is set by Ford from their warranty flat rate manual. I have never seen a case where the warranty time was anywhere near the Motor's time. Go ask a tech who works on flat rate and ask him whether he would rather do a particular job under warranty or customer pay.
Next, ShelbyGuy is correct. Pay for it yourself. When you modded your car, you gave up your warranty. To ask Ford to pay for damage from your mods is fraud.
FireRed04Vert said:
Talk about BS. Your statement above takes the cake.
Fraud? BUWAAAAAHHA...!!!!
Ever heard of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act? This has been debated here and elsewhere ad-nauseum and the result is still the same. The dealer cannot legally void your warranty or refuse to provide warranty service because you have non-factory parts on your car. Even if there is a chance that the modification caused the problem, the dealer or manufacturer has to PROVE that the mod caused the problem before they can legally deny warranty coverage.
The reality of the matter is that many dealers and manufacturers will attempt to do just that figuring that you won't go to the time and trouble of fighting them in the courts.
Legally, the law is on your side. There is no fraud involved at all if you take your modded car into the dealer and demand warranty service.
you live in a dream world. i'd like you to cite one succesful application of this legal theory you have.
Chucko said:
Chucko said:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Are you living in a dream world! You had better read the Magnuson-Moss Act. Once you change your car away from the as-delivered condition, you're toast when it comes to warranty....if the dealer so chooses. What Magnuson-Moss deals with is if you install a part that doesn't change the the original configuration of the vehicle...such as air filter, spark plugs, etc as long as they meet factory specs. Then, the dealer DOES NOT have to warranty those parts...the manufacturer who provided them does. Even aftermarket shifters, catbacks, CAI and the like CAN be grounds for refusal for warranty if the dealer chooses. You (or your supplier) have to prove they don't alter the original configuration of the vehicle. Where it can get ugly is if you pulley your car for example and the radio goes out. Do they have to honor that part of your warranty? I've seen them go both ways on that and it seems to be in the hands of an arbitrator.
I will give you this...if you mod your car and you take it in for warranty as it's modded...tell them it's modded...and ask for warranty, THAT is not fraud as you have been completely up front with them. And if they honor it, consider yourself extremely lucky because there are a lot of cases right here where they flat deny it....and should.
ShelbyGuy said:
It's not a theory - it's fact. I'm old enough to know the difference.
There are plenty of examples of successful cases. Anyone who's been in the business for a while knows this. Why not start with these links to find additional information to further educate yourself instead of making comments that only show how woefully uninformed you are.
http://www.magnusonproducts.com/magnusonmoss.htm
http://www.enjoythedrive.com/content/?ID=8124
http://www.sema.org/main/semaorghome.aspx?ID=/content/SEMAorg/HomePage
http://www.ftc.gov/ftc/consumer.htm
Chucko said:
Did you read these? Or did I miss something? You don't quote one single example here! But lets look at a quote from one of your links:
The law means that the use of an aftermarket part alone is not cause for denying the warranty. However, the law's protection does not extend to aftermarket parts in situations where such parts actually caused the damage being claimed under the warranty. Further, consumers are advised to be aware of any specific terms or conditions stated in the warranty which may result in its being voided.
Tell me a pulley or other engine/tuning mod doesn't void your warranty automatically? Further...read it closer...if your warranty states that certain mods or activities void the warranty, then it's voided no matter if it caused the problem or not! I haven't got my warranty manual in front of me, but doesn't it have some disclaimers in it about this subject?
Bottom line Chucko...you don't understand the law. I don't have an intimate knowledge of it either, but I know enough that if you mod, you have very little to stand on...if anything at all. Nor should you. When you bought the car, Ford didn't agree to sponsor you.
again i ask, cite ONE case where someone applied the magnusson-moss warranty act to overturn a voided powertrain warranty. one case where someone sued ford and got a warranty reinstated.
Chucko said:
ShelbyGuy said:
:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
Well???
Not again with this pay to play stuff, sheesh.
On a side note, I got a new rear diff and DS after my leak got re sealed twice and was still leaking, but my mods are pretty light.
On a side note, I got a new rear diff and DS after my leak got re sealed twice and was still leaking, but my mods are pretty light.
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