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<blockquote data-quote="beefcake" data-source="post: 12691186" data-attributes="member: 1692"><p>Well, I am going to disagree with you 100%. This comes from "personal experience on a coyote as I have one. As you have not, you can't speak from "personal" experience.</p><p></p><p>1st, the pulley swap you mentioned. The supercharger pulley change on a vortech / paxton can be done in less than 5 minutes on a coyote. </p><p></p><p>I know, as I have changed them dozens and dozens of times. Maybe on the cars you have owned it took time, that is not a case with the coyotes. </p><p></p><p>2nd, taking "everything off" to change belts. Again, that is 100% untrue and completely false. Only 1 pulley needs to be removed to change out a belt on a coyote. Again, I have personal experience with this. I can change a belt on these cars in about 10 minutes.</p><p></p><p>3rd, Power - the off the shelf stage 1 or 2 will not outflow the paxton, and will not make the power a paxton will. Show me where one has. And I don't want dyno sheets, i want to see track times. The off the shelf 2200 will / does outperform the stage 2. How many SVTP members are running my Paxton setup to the low 10's and 9 second et's. Dozens, just on this forum. How many procharged cars?......</p><p></p><p>Now, this is a contradicting statement</p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Pro:</em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Belt Tension - With also running a separate system, you can crank down on the supplied idler to help eliminate the cause of belt slip</em></strong></p><p><strong><em></em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Con: </em></strong></p><p><strong><em>Strain on crank - With the separate belt system, you can put more stress on the crank (but it's not a common thing at all)</em></strong></p><p></p><p>How can this be a pro and a con??</p><p>Bottom line, cranking the crap out of a pulley hanging off the front of the crank that is not designed to be there IS NOT GOOD. Period. It's just not, there is no way you can show me where that is not a bad thing. It either adds stress or it doesn't, and it does.</p><p></p><p>The problem is from a "personal" standpoint you have no experience on these cars, and you are giving out incorrect information. The information I posted is from experience on these cars.</p><p></p><p>And, lets not forget the biggest thing. Price. You are saying you would recommend going with a system that </p><p>1) costs more</p><p>2) makes less power</p><p>3) has higher iat's</p><p>4) stresses the crank</p><p>5) smaller intercooler</p><p></p><p>and the benefit? able to run the car if it breaks down. That is the 1 and only benefit to the procharger system. Of course, there isn't a reason that should be a concern. In 2 1/2 years, i haven't been left stranded over a belt. A properly installed system, should have no issues with belts.</p><p></p><p>The funny thing is, you listed 3 pro's and 3 con's for the Procharger, 4 pro's and 2 con's for the paxton. But still recommend the Procharger. So, without "selling" you are selling. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>For the record, as a vendor, I make no smoke screens. I am selling. The great thing is, the product I am selling. Is indeed the best!! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="beefcake, post: 12691186, member: 1692"] Well, I am going to disagree with you 100%. This comes from "personal experience on a coyote as I have one. As you have not, you can't speak from "personal" experience. 1st, the pulley swap you mentioned. The supercharger pulley change on a vortech / paxton can be done in less than 5 minutes on a coyote. I know, as I have changed them dozens and dozens of times. Maybe on the cars you have owned it took time, that is not a case with the coyotes. 2nd, taking "everything off" to change belts. Again, that is 100% untrue and completely false. Only 1 pulley needs to be removed to change out a belt on a coyote. Again, I have personal experience with this. I can change a belt on these cars in about 10 minutes. 3rd, Power - the off the shelf stage 1 or 2 will not outflow the paxton, and will not make the power a paxton will. Show me where one has. And I don't want dyno sheets, i want to see track times. The off the shelf 2200 will / does outperform the stage 2. How many SVTP members are running my Paxton setup to the low 10's and 9 second et's. Dozens, just on this forum. How many procharged cars?...... Now, this is a contradicting statement [B][I] Pro: Belt Tension - With also running a separate system, you can crank down on the supplied idler to help eliminate the cause of belt slip Con: Strain on crank - With the separate belt system, you can put more stress on the crank (but it's not a common thing at all)[/I][/B] How can this be a pro and a con?? Bottom line, cranking the crap out of a pulley hanging off the front of the crank that is not designed to be there IS NOT GOOD. Period. It's just not, there is no way you can show me where that is not a bad thing. It either adds stress or it doesn't, and it does. The problem is from a "personal" standpoint you have no experience on these cars, and you are giving out incorrect information. The information I posted is from experience on these cars. And, lets not forget the biggest thing. Price. You are saying you would recommend going with a system that 1) costs more 2) makes less power 3) has higher iat's 4) stresses the crank 5) smaller intercooler and the benefit? able to run the car if it breaks down. That is the 1 and only benefit to the procharger system. Of course, there isn't a reason that should be a concern. In 2 1/2 years, i haven't been left stranded over a belt. A properly installed system, should have no issues with belts. The funny thing is, you listed 3 pro's and 3 con's for the Procharger, 4 pro's and 2 con's for the paxton. But still recommend the Procharger. So, without "selling" you are selling. ;) For the record, as a vendor, I make no smoke screens. I am selling. The great thing is, the product I am selling. Is indeed the best!! :) [/QUOTE]
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