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<blockquote data-quote="grandestang" data-source="post: 2138047" data-attributes="member: 12426"><p>Serpentnoir:</p><p></p><p>Thank you for providing a logical argument to my side, alot of people on here just love to talk shit and not back it up.</p><p></p><p>Although I do see where you're coming from, it seems like alot of your argument still comes from a personal comfort level. Yes an IRS will be much more comfortable, and you may feel more in control of the car saying things like "I find it annoying" when describing the roll steer of the solid axle. Or saying "To isolate the occupants from all this nasty stuff, the industry has provided us with these big rubber bushings. That's great until you want to push things in the corners. Surprise, surprise, all this rubber makes things feel mushy." Things like polyurethane bushings and stiffer springs can almost eliminate the feeling of the rear end being a hunk of metal sloshing around in the back however the ride will be much much harsher. You're points in this aspect against the solid axle seem to be biased towards driver comfort, and less towards actual performance. You'll never see a properly setup solid rear from the factory for handling just becuase of the comfort level you will be sacrificing. But at the same time I don't think you'll ever see a factory IRS that can stand up to the abuse a comparable SRA can. </p><p></p><p>When you talk of geometry your flat our right the geometry is no where near that of an IRS. But does that mean that a solid axle rear setup properly cannot turn in just as good timeslips as a properly set up IRS car? I don't think this will be the case. Yes the ride will be much harsher and feel less controlled but I think it can be made to turn just as good times.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And for the record I was actually in no way trying to directly compare a 70 boss with modern suspension... In fact NEVER did I once compare the two directly compare them. It was simply part of my argument showing that a solid rear CAN be made to handle very well. Maybe it wasn't the best example but it annoys me when people assume solid rear cars cannot handle well. My 70 was recently updated with 4 1/2 springs, KYB gas-adjust-shocks, thicker sway bar, and heavy duty polyurethane bushed shackles. (Front end recieved total rebuild along with bigger sway, stiffer springs, poly bushings & shocks). The result was a car that in no way feels mushy out back even with the old outdated frame. Not trying to compare it to todays stuff, but if such an old setup can be made to work, why couldn't a modern 3 link work even better? We all know it can, as shown by the excellent handling characteristics of a stock 05 GT. With a more aggressive Cobra setup I don't think people will be dissapointed.</p><p></p><p>You could say well setup IRS will work even better, but if it comes at an added cost I don't see the need. This is not a BMW its a mustang. Even the Boss 302s could hold their own at the drag strip even though they were "handling" cars. One argument I don't think you can make is one that a SRA can be outmatched by a IRS in straight line racing. Like it or not, the Mustang will always be associated with drag racing in same way, even on an all out handling version. </p><p></p><p>It seems like this will never be an issue that is solved. Different people have different views. But I love threads like this because these are the threads where real information is learned. So serpentnoir :beer: i'll take my SRA you take your IRS. I'm done with this one. :thumbsup: </p><p></p><p>Paul</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="grandestang, post: 2138047, member: 12426"] Serpentnoir: Thank you for providing a logical argument to my side, alot of people on here just love to talk shit and not back it up. Although I do see where you're coming from, it seems like alot of your argument still comes from a personal comfort level. Yes an IRS will be much more comfortable, and you may feel more in control of the car saying things like "I find it annoying" when describing the roll steer of the solid axle. Or saying "To isolate the occupants from all this nasty stuff, the industry has provided us with these big rubber bushings. That's great until you want to push things in the corners. Surprise, surprise, all this rubber makes things feel mushy." Things like polyurethane bushings and stiffer springs can almost eliminate the feeling of the rear end being a hunk of metal sloshing around in the back however the ride will be much much harsher. You're points in this aspect against the solid axle seem to be biased towards driver comfort, and less towards actual performance. You'll never see a properly setup solid rear from the factory for handling just becuase of the comfort level you will be sacrificing. But at the same time I don't think you'll ever see a factory IRS that can stand up to the abuse a comparable SRA can. When you talk of geometry your flat our right the geometry is no where near that of an IRS. But does that mean that a solid axle rear setup properly cannot turn in just as good timeslips as a properly set up IRS car? I don't think this will be the case. Yes the ride will be much harsher and feel less controlled but I think it can be made to turn just as good times. And for the record I was actually in no way trying to directly compare a 70 boss with modern suspension... In fact NEVER did I once compare the two directly compare them. It was simply part of my argument showing that a solid rear CAN be made to handle very well. Maybe it wasn't the best example but it annoys me when people assume solid rear cars cannot handle well. My 70 was recently updated with 4 1/2 springs, KYB gas-adjust-shocks, thicker sway bar, and heavy duty polyurethane bushed shackles. (Front end recieved total rebuild along with bigger sway, stiffer springs, poly bushings & shocks). The result was a car that in no way feels mushy out back even with the old outdated frame. Not trying to compare it to todays stuff, but if such an old setup can be made to work, why couldn't a modern 3 link work even better? We all know it can, as shown by the excellent handling characteristics of a stock 05 GT. With a more aggressive Cobra setup I don't think people will be dissapointed. You could say well setup IRS will work even better, but if it comes at an added cost I don't see the need. This is not a BMW its a mustang. Even the Boss 302s could hold their own at the drag strip even though they were "handling" cars. One argument I don't think you can make is one that a SRA can be outmatched by a IRS in straight line racing. Like it or not, the Mustang will always be associated with drag racing in same way, even on an all out handling version. It seems like this will never be an issue that is solved. Different people have different views. But I love threads like this because these are the threads where real information is learned. So serpentnoir :beer: i'll take my SRA you take your IRS. I'm done with this one. :thumbsup: Paul [/QUOTE]
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