Home
What's new
Latest activity
Authors
Store
Latest reviews
Search products
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
New listings
New products
New profile posts
Latest activity
Members
Current visitors
New profile posts
Search profile posts
Log in
Register
Cart
Cart
Loading…
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Search titles only
By:
Menu
Log in
Register
Navigation
Install the app
Install
More options
Change style
Contact us
Close Menu
Forums
Cobra Forums
Fox-Body Cobras
MM Maximum Grip Box in a 93 Cobra?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="stangbear427" data-source="post: 6214782" data-attributes="member: 46931"><p>No. It basically removes 50% of the axles possible movements, therefore removing half the opportunity for bind to present itself. The upper control arms will still bind due to their layout, but without the panhard they would be binding <em>exponentially</em> more. </p><p></p><p>jrh- "crazy" as you've used it there is relative. My fathers '01 GT has the entire stock suspension in place, and he was thinking about upgrading the springs and dampers. I don't blame him, piloting that tank down a back road was downright scary. I talked him into a MM panhard, and now he doesn't want to change anything else. It handles like a different car, every turn is executed with controlled confidence, and he hasn't done anything to compromise his ride quality. His launch would improve with better control arms, but for him it's good enough- it wouldn't be a good investment. For you? Hard to say. Depends on your intentions. </p><p></p><p>When Maximum Motorsports "finished" their first suspension, they hadn't even developed the torque arm yet. It was just their LCA's with FRPP uppers and a panhard- and in that configuration they placed the third fastest slalom time Motor Trend had ever recorded. So, what is necessary is definitely a matter of perspective and intent. </p><p>Every part you change will improve at least one aspect of the handling, and hopefully without compromise if the right parts are used together. However, your panhard will work the same regardless of whether you change the control arms or not. It has only one job to do and doesn't depend on the control arms in any way to get it done. What better control arms <em>will</em> do for you is help control wheelhop caused by deflection of the soft bushings and flimsy stamped steel arms. Spending yet more for arms with good three piece bushings will take another step towards eliminating rear suspension bind, but just a small one. Spending a little more for spherical bearings at one or both ends will do even more, albeit with marginally more NVH. I ran drag lowers with spherical bearings on both ends for years, and honestly, my Tremec TKO made more noise in the cabin- but it's worth mentioning. The only way to completely eliminate the bind is in the next step: either eliminate the uppers entirely with a torque arm, relocate the uppers like the Steeda 5link kit, or back-half the car with a properly designed four link and panhard... most of us aren't stupid enough to do that to our limited production Cobras, I hope. Regardless, you see how we're progressing from a basic bolt on suspension to a more and more hard core setup, all of which affect other aspects of the car. For example, the more deflection you take out of your LCA's whether it be with stronger arms, harder durameter bushings or especially with solid bearings, the more important it is to reinforce the torque boxes, etc, etc. (not that it shouldn't be done anyway)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stangbear427, post: 6214782, member: 46931"] No. It basically removes 50% of the axles possible movements, therefore removing half the opportunity for bind to present itself. The upper control arms will still bind due to their layout, but without the panhard they would be binding [i]exponentially[/i] more. jrh- "crazy" as you've used it there is relative. My fathers '01 GT has the entire stock suspension in place, and he was thinking about upgrading the springs and dampers. I don't blame him, piloting that tank down a back road was downright scary. I talked him into a MM panhard, and now he doesn't want to change anything else. It handles like a different car, every turn is executed with controlled confidence, and he hasn't done anything to compromise his ride quality. His launch would improve with better control arms, but for him it's good enough- it wouldn't be a good investment. For you? Hard to say. Depends on your intentions. When Maximum Motorsports "finished" their first suspension, they hadn't even developed the torque arm yet. It was just their LCA's with FRPP uppers and a panhard- and in that configuration they placed the third fastest slalom time Motor Trend had ever recorded. So, what is necessary is definitely a matter of perspective and intent. Every part you change will improve at least one aspect of the handling, and hopefully without compromise if the right parts are used together. However, your panhard will work the same regardless of whether you change the control arms or not. It has only one job to do and doesn't depend on the control arms in any way to get it done. What better control arms [i]will[/i] do for you is help control wheelhop caused by deflection of the soft bushings and flimsy stamped steel arms. Spending yet more for arms with good three piece bushings will take another step towards eliminating rear suspension bind, but just a small one. Spending a little more for spherical bearings at one or both ends will do even more, albeit with marginally more NVH. I ran drag lowers with spherical bearings on both ends for years, and honestly, my Tremec TKO made more noise in the cabin- but it's worth mentioning. The only way to completely eliminate the bind is in the next step: either eliminate the uppers entirely with a torque arm, relocate the uppers like the Steeda 5link kit, or back-half the car with a properly designed four link and panhard... most of us aren't stupid enough to do that to our limited production Cobras, I hope. Regardless, you see how we're progressing from a basic bolt on suspension to a more and more hard core setup, all of which affect other aspects of the car. For example, the more deflection you take out of your LCA's whether it be with stronger arms, harder durameter bushings or especially with solid bearings, the more important it is to reinforce the torque boxes, etc, etc. (not that it shouldn't be done anyway) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Cobra Forums
Fox-Body Cobras
MM Maximum Grip Box in a 93 Cobra?
Top