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METHANOL- searched, still some ?'s
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<blockquote data-quote="Black2003Cobra" data-source="post: 2773735" data-attributes="member: 3159"><p>OK...let's end the debate....show me the data for the '03 & '04 Cobras. I would like to see timing, boost pressure, IAT1 & IAT2, and power/tq before and after meth. Otherwise, it’s all hearsay, as far as I’m concerned. (If I may quote Bob Cosby, “In god we trust…all others bring data.)</p><p></p><p>Two folks I heard from on ModFords said they saw basically no gains. (One claims to have tried it on a few cars.) Another tuner posted some data in a separate thread, but only gave the final numbers, in terms of timing. (Oh, and guess how much timing they ended up running after adding the meth injection...23 deg. If more was to be made, wouldn’t you think he’d have done so?)</p><p></p><p>I have seen one person post that he <em>planned</em> to run 26 degrees, but never did see the outcome. If this is the case you are referring to, please point me to it. I would honestly like to see the hard data. All I've ever read posted by various tuners et al. on these forums is that they see very little or no gain past 22-23 degrees. I would quote names, but last time I did that my post was deleted. If you want a name of one of the tuners, PM me and I’ll point you to the thread.</p><p></p><p>I could also show you modeling data of relative power gain vs timing, (but it probably wouldn’t convince you any way). But the bottom line is, you don't gain much relative power/tq <strong>per degree of timing</strong> even below MBTT, so unless you can increase it a lot, the gains just won't be there. Sorry…you won’t convince me otherwise.</p><p></p><p>Look...I appreciate all your comments, but you really won’t convince me unless I see hard data. Until then, I think I’ll just let this rest because I really don’t care to argue about it. I’ve said my peace. Best of luck to you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Black2003Cobra, post: 2773735, member: 3159"] OK...let's end the debate....show me the data for the '03 & '04 Cobras. I would like to see timing, boost pressure, IAT1 & IAT2, and power/tq before and after meth. Otherwise, it’s all hearsay, as far as I’m concerned. (If I may quote Bob Cosby, “In god we trust…all others bring data.) Two folks I heard from on ModFords said they saw basically no gains. (One claims to have tried it on a few cars.) Another tuner posted some data in a separate thread, but only gave the final numbers, in terms of timing. (Oh, and guess how much timing they ended up running after adding the meth injection...23 deg. If more was to be made, wouldn’t you think he’d have done so?) I have seen one person post that he [I]planned[/I] to run 26 degrees, but never did see the outcome. If this is the case you are referring to, please point me to it. I would honestly like to see the hard data. All I've ever read posted by various tuners et al. on these forums is that they see very little or no gain past 22-23 degrees. I would quote names, but last time I did that my post was deleted. If you want a name of one of the tuners, PM me and I’ll point you to the thread. I could also show you modeling data of relative power gain vs timing, (but it probably wouldn’t convince you any way). But the bottom line is, you don't gain much relative power/tq [B]per degree of timing[/B] even below MBTT, so unless you can increase it a lot, the gains just won't be there. Sorry…you won’t convince me otherwise. Look...I appreciate all your comments, but you really won’t convince me unless I see hard data. Until then, I think I’ll just let this rest because I really don’t care to argue about it. I’ve said my peace. Best of luck to you. [/QUOTE]
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