It was a madhouse at the gun store today.

[exdeath]

no, not all states allow use of force to protect property

So then you passively stand in the door so as to block them as they carry your TV to the door. If they approach you, then you are in the clear to use force to defend yourself. Note the escalation to a completely different statute that has nothing to do with property now.

That was the point I was making.

Regardless of laws on property and force, there is something you can do to make things difficult for the intruder that is not illegal, which may or may not cause the intruder to escalate into a completely different set of circumstances and laws that aren't related to property.

And the idea of you provoking the intruder to escalate is invalid, otherwise a bank robber could say the cops chasing him provoked him to shoot. The criminal is always the one who initiates the unlawful escalation by choice.

 

[stanger133]

IMHO you are correct, although we are supposed to assume that our super-duper wonderful gubbermint isn't keeping this stuff in a database, its so easy for them do it we'd be kinda dumb to think they aren't.

From what I heard the PA cops were/are using a sales database as some form of registry (not supposed to be used that way). Some members of PAFOA.org had their guns confiscated by police because they weren't in the sales database, and had to go to the police station to retrieve it. Their logic was the one would have to prove that they owned the firearm in order to possess it.

 

[LtDavis]

From what I heard the PA cops were/are using a sales database as some form of registry (not supposed to be used that way). Some members of PAFOA.org had their guns confiscated by police because they weren't in the sales database, and had to go to the police station to retrieve it. Their logic was the one would have to prove that they owned the firearm in order to possess it.

I also read those stories at PAFOA, the State Police claim they don't maintain a registry... they call it a "database" so that makes it legal. Kinda like that episode of South Park where kyle's dad says "its not socialism because we don't call it that."