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2020+ Shelby GT500 Mustang
Is "no manual available" a deal-breaker for you regarding whether you'll purchase a new 2020 GT500?
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<blockquote data-quote="Tob" data-source="post: 16103827" data-attributes="member: 83412"><p>A valid point that wasn't missed by some rather astute individuals in positions of power at Ford.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have confidence that Ford tested, evaluated, and after a long period of time made sure that they had the calibration "right." I expect the street experience to be among the best as it very well should be. Tremec acquired HOERBIGER <a href="http://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/kuo-group-acquires-dual-clutch-transmissions-technology-leader-/" target="_blank">six years ago (hence the bulk of development coming from Belgium). </a>That alone should have placed them at the forefront with respect to mechatronics and this DCT. Every day driving should be smooth hand glitch-free. Should be...</p><p></p><p></p><p>The question I have is did Ford use their own DCT control unit or did they allow use of Tremec's in-house TCU?</p><p><a href="http://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/kuo-group-acquires-dual-clutch-transmissions-technology-leader-/" target="_blank">http://www.tremec.com/menu/transmission-control-unit/</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of note, Ford engineers have been clear that this DCT has a higher power capacity that the 10-speed auto. But you're right to be concerned, and the proof will be in the pudding when this unit is pushed to the extreme. No doubt it will likely be one of the most expensive to service at the dealer level were there to be a substantial issue or failure.</p><p></p><p>The question is...when engine/traction control parameters are altered such that the transmission is outside any protective strategies how easily can damage occur? I was told that early development DCT units were suffering from heat related issues and that those issues were mitigated. To be fair, that's how you test so I can't find fault if that was indeed the case. Time will tell.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good point.</p><p></p><p>We definitely reached a point where large amounts of power have an impact on manually operated transmission mechanisms and how well they can function in the compromised world of both street and strip operation. The DCT gives <em>far</em> greater control in this regard and at the very least offers up consistency and the potential for greater performance as a result. In essence, the DCT doesn't fight back when pushed whereas the TR6060 (for example) did.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think we may only have a couple of years (maybe 2.5?) of this model anyway. But you're right and have a genuine concern. At this point, prospective buyers are placing their trust in Ford and Tremec (or Trem<em>a</em>c in ****stick-speak) with the understanding that the first crack they took at this was a really, really good one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tob, post: 16103827, member: 83412"] A valid point that wasn't missed by some rather astute individuals in positions of power at Ford. I have confidence that Ford tested, evaluated, and after a long period of time made sure that they had the calibration "right." I expect the street experience to be among the best as it very well should be. Tremec acquired HOERBIGER [URL='http://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/kuo-group-acquires-dual-clutch-transmissions-technology-leader-/']six years ago (hence the bulk of development coming from Belgium). [/URL]That alone should have placed them at the forefront with respect to mechatronics and this DCT. Every day driving should be smooth hand glitch-free. Should be... The question I have is did Ford use their own DCT control unit or did they allow use of Tremec's in-house TCU? [URL='http://www.tremec.com/noticias_detalle/kuo-group-acquires-dual-clutch-transmissions-technology-leader-/']http://www.tremec.com/menu/transmission-control-unit/[/URL] Of note, Ford engineers have been clear that this DCT has a higher power capacity that the 10-speed auto. But you're right to be concerned, and the proof will be in the pudding when this unit is pushed to the extreme. No doubt it will likely be one of the most expensive to service at the dealer level were there to be a substantial issue or failure. The question is...when engine/traction control parameters are altered such that the transmission is outside any protective strategies how easily can damage occur? I was told that early development DCT units were suffering from heat related issues and that those issues were mitigated. To be fair, that's how you test so I can't find fault if that was indeed the case. Time will tell. Good point. We definitely reached a point where large amounts of power have an impact on manually operated transmission mechanisms and how well they can function in the compromised world of both street and strip operation. The DCT gives [i]far[/i] greater control in this regard and at the very least offers up consistency and the potential for greater performance as a result. In essence, the DCT doesn't fight back when pushed whereas the TR6060 (for example) did. I think we may only have a couple of years (maybe 2.5?) of this model anyway. But you're right and have a genuine concern. At this point, prospective buyers are placing their trust in Ford and Tremec (or Trem[i]a[/i]c in ****stick-speak) with the understanding that the first crack they took at this was a really, really good one. [/QUOTE]
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