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<blockquote data-quote="Silver TT" data-source="post: 11450414" data-attributes="member: 4484"><p>Spent about an hour on the phone with Rob Eaton yesterday. Could not be a nicer or more knowledgeable guy IMHO...</p><p></p><p>Didn't take a lot for him to get way over my head on braking dynamics and rotor heat inertia, etc. but he definitely knows his stuff and is a an extremely forthright guy. I asked a lot of questions, about 25 probably, and he spoke highly of other options in the market and never said his was "the best" or anything like that. Just gave me the facts.</p><p></p><p><strong>I came away from the discussion thinking the following:</strong></p><p></p><p>1. The F14 kit appears to be the most economical way to run a very high quality 14" rotor made by a leading manufacturer. Sure, there are two piece 14" rotors for sale which might give some marginal track improvement IF they are constructed properly but most of those setups run closer to $3,000 vs $1495.</p><p></p><p>2. Serviceability and expense of replacement parts is very attractive on the F14 kit given it is a GT500 rotor and widely available pad (GT 500, CTS-V OEM part).</p><p></p><p>3. Monobloc calipers are very important as the stiffness of the caliper and its connecting bolts are AS important as any other component of the braking system.</p><p></p><p>Other thoughts:</p><p></p><p><strong>Slotted vs Plain</strong></p><p>We spent a lot of time discussing the whole slotted vs plain rotor thing. And then I continued to do some research and it seems while not as "sexy" as a slotted or drilled rotor (and I also understand the very big difference between slotted and drilled) a plain face rotor is the right rotor for a mostly street driven and lightly tracked car for a LOT of reasons. Slotted is generally fine but also unecessary because today's brake pad compounds don't produce a lot of gas so there is no need to reduce rotor sweep area with slots unless you are running a compound which produces a lot of unintended gases at high temps. He is happy to sell you a rotor with slots if you prefer at same cost. Or discount the kit and let you choose your own rotor all together.</p><p></p><p><strong>Stainless/Braided vs High Quality Rubber Line Hose</strong></p><p>Lots of debate on this topic but Rob said the very high quality rubber hose they use in this kit shows a 4/1000 of an inch difference in pedal travel vs stainless and for most drivers (even occasional track day guys) it makes a lot more sense to have a rubber hose vs stainless for durability and flexibility concerns which are the main cause of brake line leaks/failures. Even at operating temp that pedal travel difference is said to be only about 6/1000 of an inch difference so its pretty much a non-issue. He is happy to sell you a braided line if you prefer.</p><p></p><p>Last thought...if a plain face Brembo rotor is the rotor of choice for a track purposed Boss 302 Laguna Seca I would guess we don't all need to be running around with slotted or drilled rotors.</p><p></p><p><strong>Conclusion:</strong></p><p>If you have $3,000 laying around and want the best of the best and don't mind very expensive replacement costs a Brembo or Baer or Stoptech 6 Piston Caliper with very high quality 14" two piece rotor is probably the best package. If you want 95% of that performance with 25% of the service / replacement costs, the F14 kit seems to be a very comprehensive and well thought out BBK.</p><p></p><p>PS - I have zero incentive here one way or the other...just thought I'd spend a minute writing up what I learned since Rob was so generous with his time. Obviously this data / viewpoint is his own but he was very objective with me on the phone and I am sure would be with you as well if you give a call.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Silver TT, post: 11450414, member: 4484"] Spent about an hour on the phone with Rob Eaton yesterday. Could not be a nicer or more knowledgeable guy IMHO... Didn't take a lot for him to get way over my head on braking dynamics and rotor heat inertia, etc. but he definitely knows his stuff and is a an extremely forthright guy. I asked a lot of questions, about 25 probably, and he spoke highly of other options in the market and never said his was "the best" or anything like that. Just gave me the facts. [B]I came away from the discussion thinking the following:[/B] 1. The F14 kit appears to be the most economical way to run a very high quality 14" rotor made by a leading manufacturer. Sure, there are two piece 14" rotors for sale which might give some marginal track improvement IF they are constructed properly but most of those setups run closer to $3,000 vs $1495. 2. Serviceability and expense of replacement parts is very attractive on the F14 kit given it is a GT500 rotor and widely available pad (GT 500, CTS-V OEM part). 3. Monobloc calipers are very important as the stiffness of the caliper and its connecting bolts are AS important as any other component of the braking system. Other thoughts: [B]Slotted vs Plain[/B] We spent a lot of time discussing the whole slotted vs plain rotor thing. And then I continued to do some research and it seems while not as "sexy" as a slotted or drilled rotor (and I also understand the very big difference between slotted and drilled) a plain face rotor is the right rotor for a mostly street driven and lightly tracked car for a LOT of reasons. Slotted is generally fine but also unecessary because today's brake pad compounds don't produce a lot of gas so there is no need to reduce rotor sweep area with slots unless you are running a compound which produces a lot of unintended gases at high temps. He is happy to sell you a rotor with slots if you prefer at same cost. Or discount the kit and let you choose your own rotor all together. [B]Stainless/Braided vs High Quality Rubber Line Hose[/B] Lots of debate on this topic but Rob said the very high quality rubber hose they use in this kit shows a 4/1000 of an inch difference in pedal travel vs stainless and for most drivers (even occasional track day guys) it makes a lot more sense to have a rubber hose vs stainless for durability and flexibility concerns which are the main cause of brake line leaks/failures. Even at operating temp that pedal travel difference is said to be only about 6/1000 of an inch difference so its pretty much a non-issue. He is happy to sell you a braided line if you prefer. Last thought...if a plain face Brembo rotor is the rotor of choice for a track purposed Boss 302 Laguna Seca I would guess we don't all need to be running around with slotted or drilled rotors. [B]Conclusion:[/B] If you have $3,000 laying around and want the best of the best and don't mind very expensive replacement costs a Brembo or Baer or Stoptech 6 Piston Caliper with very high quality 14" two piece rotor is probably the best package. If you want 95% of that performance with 25% of the service / replacement costs, the F14 kit seems to be a very comprehensive and well thought out BBK. PS - I have zero incentive here one way or the other...just thought I'd spend a minute writing up what I learned since Rob was so generous with his time. Obviously this data / viewpoint is his own but he was very objective with me on the phone and I am sure would be with you as well if you give a call. [/QUOTE]
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