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<blockquote data-quote="DR281" data-source="post: 3392079" data-attributes="member: 35833"><p>Lets get the whole story out, so that we can get some opinions.</p><p>When your car was tuned the first time it had an A/F of 11.7:1 all the way across the board with conservative timing, I'm pretty sure 19* because you had no cooling mods. It was tuned just like the other couple hundred 03-04 Cobras that have been tuned. It was well over a month or 2 after the tune to the engine failure. You were seen at the street races racing time after time with no cooling mods that were recomended. No cool down, race after race. You also admitted to racing the car a lot of times with no cool down. We all felt like this could have been the cause of the problem.</p><p>I recomended injectors, BAP, cooling mods, etc.. when we did the engine. Did you do any of them? Nope.</p><p>I asked you to take it easy for a couple of weeks and bring it back to the dyno. Did you take it easy? Nope. You were at the street races again pounding on it. You were seen by employees and customers. </p><p>BTW you paid 7k for all the parts you got and to install them. I didn't charge you to diagnose a problem. You didn't have the money to pay to diagnose a problem, you took the car without even paying the full bill because you didn't have enough. How were you going to pay to diagnose? You even said your self you though you raced it tom many times in a row. You thought that was the cause of the failure.</p><p>When it began to smoke we pulled it in for inspection. Pulled the plugs and did a compression test. 2 cylinders were down so I said bring it in and we will pull it apart and find out whats up. At this point, had it been something that was wrong with machine work, assembly, tuning, etc.. Something we did, it would have been taken care of.</p><p>Motor comes out and has 4 melted pistons. When we find this, I called you and said we need to have these injectors checked out because this is not right. You asked how much, when I told you, you didn't want to do it. I had to convince you that this would be this first step in finding the problem. After several conversations I managed to convince you. We had them flowed and 5 were out of spec, 4 cleaned up and they were able to get back in spec. 1 wouldn't even clean up back to factory spec.</p><p>After telling you this and again recomending 60's, you still don't want them and wanted to use your same injectors again.</p><p>I have never seen any 03-04 Cobra injectors go bad, how did 5 go bad on your car? Did someone put something in your tank? What could have gone wrong to cause 5 injectors to not flow enough?</p><p>When I talked to you the other day I told you we can figure something out together. I was going to cover most of the labor and some of the parts, just to be nice and help to get the car back on the road. I even told you if you don't think that is fair, tell me what you think is fair for both of us. I don't understand how you think it is fair for me to take full responsibility when you had 5 bad injectors that I recomended you change with the new motor any ways.</p><p>I think you went about this the wrong way, I spoke with you very nicely the other day and was willing to help you. You coming on here switching a story around and trying to bash me and our business is not a way to get help from me. You were short almost 1 k and I let you take your car on your word, I have tried to help you plenty. The car will not leave again with out the full bill being paid, just so you know.</p><p></p><p>JDaniel I would like to know who your friend is. We don't send people on there way and say deal with it. That is not what we do for anybody. We have stayed late or whatever it takes to get people's cars right, so I seriously doubt we told him to deal with it. I would love to talk to him, hear his story, and possibly help take care of his problem.</p><p></p><p>APG2369 I know a lot of different local shop owners and engine builders none of them have a standard procedure of flowing injectors on blown engines. You should also get your facts straight because Ford calls for no more the 3% varience between injectors. I would think being a pro like you are, you would not settle for a 10% varience on the injectors of a supercharged vehicle. As mentioned he didn't have the money to pay his whole bill, he didn't have the money to flow the injectors nor did he want to, nor did he want to put injectors like I recomended.</p><p></p><p>I just wanted the full real story to be out so people can decide what they think after hearing both sides.</p><p></p><p>Manny</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DR281, post: 3392079, member: 35833"] Lets get the whole story out, so that we can get some opinions. When your car was tuned the first time it had an A/F of 11.7:1 all the way across the board with conservative timing, I'm pretty sure 19* because you had no cooling mods. It was tuned just like the other couple hundred 03-04 Cobras that have been tuned. It was well over a month or 2 after the tune to the engine failure. You were seen at the street races racing time after time with no cooling mods that were recomended. No cool down, race after race. You also admitted to racing the car a lot of times with no cool down. We all felt like this could have been the cause of the problem. I recomended injectors, BAP, cooling mods, etc.. when we did the engine. Did you do any of them? Nope. I asked you to take it easy for a couple of weeks and bring it back to the dyno. Did you take it easy? Nope. You were at the street races again pounding on it. You were seen by employees and customers. BTW you paid 7k for all the parts you got and to install them. I didn't charge you to diagnose a problem. You didn't have the money to pay to diagnose a problem, you took the car without even paying the full bill because you didn't have enough. How were you going to pay to diagnose? You even said your self you though you raced it tom many times in a row. You thought that was the cause of the failure. When it began to smoke we pulled it in for inspection. Pulled the plugs and did a compression test. 2 cylinders were down so I said bring it in and we will pull it apart and find out whats up. At this point, had it been something that was wrong with machine work, assembly, tuning, etc.. Something we did, it would have been taken care of. Motor comes out and has 4 melted pistons. When we find this, I called you and said we need to have these injectors checked out because this is not right. You asked how much, when I told you, you didn't want to do it. I had to convince you that this would be this first step in finding the problem. After several conversations I managed to convince you. We had them flowed and 5 were out of spec, 4 cleaned up and they were able to get back in spec. 1 wouldn't even clean up back to factory spec. After telling you this and again recomending 60's, you still don't want them and wanted to use your same injectors again. I have never seen any 03-04 Cobra injectors go bad, how did 5 go bad on your car? Did someone put something in your tank? What could have gone wrong to cause 5 injectors to not flow enough? When I talked to you the other day I told you we can figure something out together. I was going to cover most of the labor and some of the parts, just to be nice and help to get the car back on the road. I even told you if you don't think that is fair, tell me what you think is fair for both of us. I don't understand how you think it is fair for me to take full responsibility when you had 5 bad injectors that I recomended you change with the new motor any ways. I think you went about this the wrong way, I spoke with you very nicely the other day and was willing to help you. You coming on here switching a story around and trying to bash me and our business is not a way to get help from me. You were short almost 1 k and I let you take your car on your word, I have tried to help you plenty. The car will not leave again with out the full bill being paid, just so you know. JDaniel I would like to know who your friend is. We don't send people on there way and say deal with it. That is not what we do for anybody. We have stayed late or whatever it takes to get people's cars right, so I seriously doubt we told him to deal with it. I would love to talk to him, hear his story, and possibly help take care of his problem. APG2369 I know a lot of different local shop owners and engine builders none of them have a standard procedure of flowing injectors on blown engines. You should also get your facts straight because Ford calls for no more the 3% varience between injectors. I would think being a pro like you are, you would not settle for a 10% varience on the injectors of a supercharged vehicle. As mentioned he didn't have the money to pay his whole bill, he didn't have the money to flow the injectors nor did he want to, nor did he want to put injectors like I recomended. I just wanted the full real story to be out so people can decide what they think after hearing both sides. Manny [/QUOTE]
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