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How will Ford "Raptor" respond to Rebel TRX V8? GM lurking too.
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<blockquote data-quote="ibismojo" data-source="post: 16474143" data-attributes="member: 10591"><p>Have you seen what trophy trucks have to run to make use of 800 hp at the crank, sent through a 3 speed auto (lol), then to the ring/pinion and finally to 40" tires...while weighing about the same as a TRX?</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1657893[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Granted TRX is coming with full floating hubs (which is crazy for a half ton, but probably necessary for 650 lb ft, 6350 lbs, and 35's), I'm gonna bet a lot of the power is gonna go towards to kicking up dirt and not going very far, cause I find it hard to believe it can make use of anything close to the rated power without blowing up the OEM driveline.</p><p></p><p>Anyone advocating that TRX is gonna crush the Raptor due to more power has never off roaded from the world in which the Raptor was born. You're paying 20k+ so you can straight line race an off road truck on <u>paved</u> roads, with AT tires........ohhhkkkaayyy. If this is the type of consumer that Ram's gonna pull from Raptor sales, probably wont' see as many TRX off roading as we do Raptors.</p><p></p><p>My prediction for the next gen Raptor. Drivetrain....irrelevant, as long as it makes more power and/or is more efficient than the current gen while not adding weight, doesn't matter what they put in there. Shock technology, probably won't see anything huge, possibly larger diameter. Full floating hubs? It'd be nice, but unless they beef up the tube-to-pumpkin connection it'll probably won't make too much of a difference. More travel? Likely. I based this off exterior dimensions and the spy shots of the 5 link that's been floating around:</p><p></p><p>2010 F-150 exterior width (all ext width excludes mirror): 79.2</p><p>2010 F-150 track width: 67.0</p><p>2010 F-150 SVT Raptor exterior width: 86.3, +7.1</p><p>2010 F-150 SVT Raptor track width: 73.6, +6.6 (11.2"/12.1" f/r wheel travel)</p><p></p><p>2017 F-150 exterior width: 79.9</p><p>2017 F-150 track width: 67.6 (7.3"/9.5" f/r wheel travel)</p><p>2017 F-150 Raptor exterior width: 86.3, +6.4</p><p>2017 F-150 track width: 73.9, +6.3 (13"/13.9" f/r wheel travel)</p><p></p><p>2021 F-150 exterior width: 79.9</p><p>2021 F-150 track width: 67.9</p><p></p><p>Speculation....</p><p>2021 F-150 Raptor exterior width: 86.5, +6.7</p><p>2021 F-150 Raptor track width: 74.2, +6.6 (14"/14.5-15" f/r wheel travel)</p><p></p><p>Probably gonna need slightly bigger shocks to hit 14 and longer lower arms. I'd consider that the bottom-end of long travel for 2WD vehicles, and very much legitimate long travel for 4WD. If that's what they release....</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1657894[/ATTACH] </p><p></p><p>Sources:</p><p><a href="https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/product/2021/f150/pdfs/2021-F-150-Technical-Specs.pdf" target="_blank">2021 Ford F-150 Media release</a></p><p><a href="https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-raptor/" target="_blank">2020 Ford F-150 Ratpor</a></p><p><a href="https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/product/2019/f-150/2019-F-150.pdf" target="_blank">2019 Ford F-150 Media release</a></p><p><a href="https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/products/trucks/f-150/2017-f-150-raptor.pdf" target="_blank">2017 Ford F-150 Raptor media release</a></p><p><a href="https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/2014_Specs/2014_F150_Specs.pdf" target="_blank">2014 Ford F-150 Media release</a></p><p><a href="https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/f-150-raptor-2020/specs/2013/ford_f-150-raptor_ford-f-150-svt-raptor_2013" target="_blank">2013 F-150 Raptor C&D</a></p><p><a href="https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2008/11/the-raptor-has.html" target="_blank">2010 F-150 SVT Raptor PickupTrucks.com</a></p><p><a href="https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/2010-ford-f-150-svt-raptor-suspension-walkaround.html" target="_blank">2010 F-150 SVT Raptor Edmunds.com</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ibismojo, post: 16474143, member: 10591"] Have you seen what trophy trucks have to run to make use of 800 hp at the crank, sent through a 3 speed auto (lol), then to the ring/pinion and finally to 40" tires...while weighing about the same as a TRX? [ATTACH=full]1657893[/ATTACH] Granted TRX is coming with full floating hubs (which is crazy for a half ton, but probably necessary for 650 lb ft, 6350 lbs, and 35's), I'm gonna bet a lot of the power is gonna go towards to kicking up dirt and not going very far, cause I find it hard to believe it can make use of anything close to the rated power without blowing up the OEM driveline. Anyone advocating that TRX is gonna crush the Raptor due to more power has never off roaded from the world in which the Raptor was born. You're paying 20k+ so you can straight line race an off road truck on [U]paved[/U] roads, with AT tires........ohhhkkkaayyy. If this is the type of consumer that Ram's gonna pull from Raptor sales, probably wont' see as many TRX off roading as we do Raptors. My prediction for the next gen Raptor. Drivetrain....irrelevant, as long as it makes more power and/or is more efficient than the current gen while not adding weight, doesn't matter what they put in there. Shock technology, probably won't see anything huge, possibly larger diameter. Full floating hubs? It'd be nice, but unless they beef up the tube-to-pumpkin connection it'll probably won't make too much of a difference. More travel? Likely. I based this off exterior dimensions and the spy shots of the 5 link that's been floating around: 2010 F-150 exterior width (all ext width excludes mirror): 79.2 2010 F-150 track width: 67.0 2010 F-150 SVT Raptor exterior width: 86.3, +7.1 2010 F-150 SVT Raptor track width: 73.6, +6.6 (11.2"/12.1" f/r wheel travel) 2017 F-150 exterior width: 79.9 2017 F-150 track width: 67.6 (7.3"/9.5" f/r wheel travel) 2017 F-150 Raptor exterior width: 86.3, +6.4 2017 F-150 track width: 73.9, +6.3 (13"/13.9" f/r wheel travel) 2021 F-150 exterior width: 79.9 2021 F-150 track width: 67.9 Speculation.... 2021 F-150 Raptor exterior width: 86.5, +6.7 2021 F-150 Raptor track width: 74.2, +6.6 (14"/14.5-15" f/r wheel travel) Probably gonna need slightly bigger shocks to hit 14 and longer lower arms. I'd consider that the bottom-end of long travel for 2WD vehicles, and very much legitimate long travel for 4WD. If that's what they release.... [ATTACH=full]1657894[/ATTACH] Sources: [URL='https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/product/2021/f150/pdfs/2021-F-150-Technical-Specs.pdf']2021 Ford F-150 Media release[/URL] [URL='https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/models/f150-raptor/']2020 Ford F-150 Ratpor[/URL] [URL='https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/product/2019/f-150/2019-F-150.pdf']2019 Ford F-150 Media release[/URL] [URL='https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/products/trucks/f-150/2017-f-150-raptor.pdf']2017 Ford F-150 Raptor media release[/URL] [URL='https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/2014_Specs/2014_F150_Specs.pdf']2014 Ford F-150 Media release[/URL] [URL='https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/f-150-raptor-2020/specs/2013/ford_f-150-raptor_ford-f-150-svt-raptor_2013']2013 F-150 Raptor C&D[/URL] [URL='https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2008/11/the-raptor-has.html']2010 F-150 SVT Raptor PickupTrucks.com[/URL] [URL='https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/2010-ford-f-150-svt-raptor-suspension-walkaround.html']2010 F-150 SVT Raptor Edmunds.com[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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