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<blockquote data-quote="thePill" data-source="post: 13938225" data-attributes="member: 119504"><p>The word came from Camaro5, a moderator (or stand in) at that. It was posted a few months ago and talked about briefly. The vibe was that the 5th Gen made strides elsewhere, as in the HALO effect for the brand and getting the name out there again. I am on board there... I guess it was talked about during a show or Fest, the program, profit wise, was worse than the Corvette.</p><p></p><p>Who knows, perhaps Chevy intends to elevate the Camaro up to a HALO car... Ford is taking small steps towards that goal. Look at the 5th Gens progression...</p><p></p><p>2006-2009 was an extended advertising campaign. Rumor from Steve Saleen is that Chevy even paid $20m to bump the Mustang from the Bumblebee spot. R&D and advertising for 3 full years is starting deep in the red. Budget cuts didn't seem to affect the Camaro much, maybe just delays. Material quality is justified for its ranges of MSRP. 2010 the convertible was released, and the R&D was done after the initial 2010's. The cars got heavier, although unreported, due to the structural reinforcement. 2011 the ZL1... Probably the most R&D went into to Vert and ZL1.</p><p></p><p>The extra support gained during the Vert/ZL1 probably went hand in hand. The best move Chevy made was here... I know they don't tell customers those fine details but, it's just good business. The Vert and ZL1 needed major reinforcement (like the 2007 GT's got) to support the large engine. Ford opted for a convertible at release, also a great business plan. Either way, it's costly...</p><p></p><p>The 1LE and "Z/28" programs were probably linked... If you think about it, Team Camaro said there were 3 different Z/28's. The pre-ZL1, the now ZL1 and the actual "Z/28". Which turned out to be 1LE, ZL1 and "Z/28". Programs scratched? Maybe, most likely evolved to save potentially wasted R&D dollars. Again, this is great business and nothing wrong with that.</p><p></p><p>You have a product in constant R&D since as far back as 2005... Wasn't on sale till 2009... Had to extend MY10 out to 16 months, fell short on Chevy's 150,000 sales in 12 months (129,000 in 16) and are now masking the production numbers are not good signs. They have almost equal work in the 5th Gen as Ford does the S197... the 5th Gen has only 1/3rd the sales though.</p><p></p><p>Whether or not it's true is beyond me, that's why it's only the word. I guess they could be wrong, they are on most occasions. It was discussed in short but, it only rekindled what I already knew.</p><p></p><p>On a side note, I try to approach each topic with equal skepticism and acceptance. It's a balance hard to scale... The only real delight I ever get is a chance debate with an exceptionally articulate member with overwhelmingly logic, reason and understanding... and calm.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thePill, post: 13938225, member: 119504"] The word came from Camaro5, a moderator (or stand in) at that. It was posted a few months ago and talked about briefly. The vibe was that the 5th Gen made strides elsewhere, as in the HALO effect for the brand and getting the name out there again. I am on board there... I guess it was talked about during a show or Fest, the program, profit wise, was worse than the Corvette. Who knows, perhaps Chevy intends to elevate the Camaro up to a HALO car... Ford is taking small steps towards that goal. Look at the 5th Gens progression... 2006-2009 was an extended advertising campaign. Rumor from Steve Saleen is that Chevy even paid $20m to bump the Mustang from the Bumblebee spot. R&D and advertising for 3 full years is starting deep in the red. Budget cuts didn't seem to affect the Camaro much, maybe just delays. Material quality is justified for its ranges of MSRP. 2010 the convertible was released, and the R&D was done after the initial 2010's. The cars got heavier, although unreported, due to the structural reinforcement. 2011 the ZL1... Probably the most R&D went into to Vert and ZL1. The extra support gained during the Vert/ZL1 probably went hand in hand. The best move Chevy made was here... I know they don't tell customers those fine details but, it's just good business. The Vert and ZL1 needed major reinforcement (like the 2007 GT's got) to support the large engine. Ford opted for a convertible at release, also a great business plan. Either way, it's costly... The 1LE and "Z/28" programs were probably linked... If you think about it, Team Camaro said there were 3 different Z/28's. The pre-ZL1, the now ZL1 and the actual "Z/28". Which turned out to be 1LE, ZL1 and "Z/28". Programs scratched? Maybe, most likely evolved to save potentially wasted R&D dollars. Again, this is great business and nothing wrong with that. You have a product in constant R&D since as far back as 2005... Wasn't on sale till 2009... Had to extend MY10 out to 16 months, fell short on Chevy's 150,000 sales in 12 months (129,000 in 16) and are now masking the production numbers are not good signs. They have almost equal work in the 5th Gen as Ford does the S197... the 5th Gen has only 1/3rd the sales though. Whether or not it's true is beyond me, that's why it's only the word. I guess they could be wrong, they are on most occasions. It was discussed in short but, it only rekindled what I already knew. On a side note, I try to approach each topic with equal skepticism and acceptance. It's a balance hard to scale... The only real delight I ever get is a chance debate with an exceptionally articulate member with overwhelmingly logic, reason and understanding... and calm. [/QUOTE]
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