Not gonna lie, I was half expecting you (04SCSaleen325) to get all huffy at me and feel attacked since you are a cop.
Fullerton Police Beat Man to Death (Possibly NSFW)
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again i was not trying to justify anything at all, i was simply trying to point out another way to look at the situation from someone who can relate, since there are always two sides of the story
Talking about being a moron and common sense, if you read my post i simply just said that police officers are trained that in a situation you CAN use your flashlight in defense of a threat. It is NOT recommended to be the first choice of defense, ( ex mace/pepper spray - tazer ) and is NOT considered deadly physical force. I did not in any way shape or form try to justify them using them
Again, everyone here has good points and arguments on both sides, but for the people who are so against the cops ( again i am neutral in this matter ) but for the people who are so against the cops and wanna hang them for this, how can you justify saying they are at fault when you dont know all the facts and the video shows nothing, ( again i am neutral bc some people arent understanding that ). i mean cant you also say that its unfair your pointing your finger at the cops not knowing all the facts?
Not trying to justify anything with this statement just more of an FYI,
Most around here now use rechargable composite flashlights which are very light. Not that it makes a difference in this case but the days of the big metal 5d mag-lights are over.
Most around here now use rechargable composite flashlights which are very light. Not that it makes a difference in this case but the days of the big metal 5d mag-lights are over.
lol not at all, trust me i am the most down to earth simple person. some people like cops, some dont. what can you do right?
everyone has their own opinion and their entitled to it, and im all for a fair and RESPECTFUL debate but be fair and open on other aspects of the situation,
again unless you were there you cant point fingers at either party not having any eye witness account or knowing ALL the facts
I'm not meaning to point you out so please don't take it personal, but this goes somewhat along with everyone else who are against the cops here. look at the first sentence of your post.
I HEARD there were 5 cops there by someone in the video.
The video shows nothing, everyone here who are against the cops are going by what they hear and read.
please take this into considerations as well, the reason why you cannot believe everything you read is simple. the investigating police department cannot releas all the facts of the incident because if this does go to trial, and all the facts were released to the public before the trial started, it has an extremely good chance of being a mistrial since the selected jury or judge have heard either true or untrue facts about the case from second hand party (public and media ) and have already made their own assumption and conclusion of what has happened
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I admit, as it has been stated many times in this thread that none of us know what happened. But I will also say, that I am not sure I have EVER seen some one take a taser and continue to resist arrest as any threat at all.
If the cops did act wrongly, as it appears they might have. I hope they are punished to the full extent of the law.
If the cops did act wrongly, as it appears they might have. I hope they are punished to the full extent of the law.
They won't be. If there is one thing I am sure of in this scenario, it is that.
I was just commenting on this I did not mean that YOU are a moron specifically. Anybody that thinks hitting somebody in the back of the head multiple times is a moron and it seemed like you were attempting to give rationale for the actions. When you say it isn't against the rules it seems as if you are giving an excuse to the cops for their lack of judgement when they are in a position to have heightened judgement. If one of those cops cant make a judgement call on common sense in regards to the consequences of hitting somebody in the back of the head multiple times they should not have the job.
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+1 Its incredible how so many are inclined to always make excuses for police brutality and deflect the issue at hand. Regardless of how a person ended up homeless along the way, it doesn't serve as any justifiable reason to make light of their death at the hands os people that shouldn't be cops. We have some really cold hearted people in this country that think every deserves some kind of awful exit from this world just because they screwed up in life. Its sad people believe things like that.
What amazes me are the people who think nothing of this because they "Dont know the whole story". Plain and simple, resisting or not, these officers beat an UNARMED man to death. If that many officers cant subdue a person without beating them to how thr man looked in the picture then they have NO right to wear a badge.
Just listen to the peoples reactions who are witnessing what is happening. Guys are sitting there saying how he is laying on his stomach with all of the officers on him yet they continue to beat him. A lady walks away saying she cant watch anymore because she is so disgusted.
If this had been a fight where a man was beaten to death without officers involved nobody would be saying they dont know the whole story, and if his skin was a different color it woild be an even bigger story.
I spoke with my friend who is a deputy for the Orange County Sherriffs and he said his whole department is completely disgusted by their actions, and he knows more about this incident than we do.
Just listen to the peoples reactions who are witnessing what is happening. Guys are sitting there saying how he is laying on his stomach with all of the officers on him yet they continue to beat him. A lady walks away saying she cant watch anymore because she is so disgusted.
If this had been a fight where a man was beaten to death without officers involved nobody would be saying they dont know the whole story, and if his skin was a different color it woild be an even bigger story.
I spoke with my friend who is a deputy for the Orange County Sherriffs and he said his whole department is completely disgusted by their actions, and he knows more about this incident than we do.
It's also important to note that Kelly's father said his son weighed 135lbs and the coroner said he was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
Some more food for thought: Victims father is claiming that the Orange County DA has never filed criminal charges against an officer on duty.
I'm curious to know what you think happened. I realize we're not working with all the facts here, but do you care to speculate?
This is some sad shit.. man I could maybe see one or two cops and believing he could be a threat to them but 6 that's a gang beating
Wow, cops are in here with the "we don't know the whole story" BS. Big surprise.
The SVTP "we need the whole story before forming an opinion on an unarmed, sober man beaten to death by 6 cops while laying on his stomach crying for his life" crowd sickens me. What more to the story do you guys need? Six murders are walking free right now. Disgusting.
My Problems with this whole thing.
"They kept beating him and Tasering him. I could hear zapping, and he wasn't even moving," said Turgeon. "He had one arm in front of him like this, he wasn't resisting. And they kept telling him, 'He's resisting, quit resisting,' and he wasn't resisting."
He was only hit with the taser one time from what the video shows. You can clearly hear the 5 second burst. So if the guy who took the video was so enraged why did he not start recording after the first time he was tased?or the second? or third? So obviously we are missing a good five minutes of video of what happened before all of the bystanders were able to gather around. I'll play devils advocate and assume they tased him 4 other times. obviously it had no effect on him if he is still able to resist. This leads me to believe he was more than likely having a psychotic episode making him feel no pain. Hell it even says in the article "some community members regarded him as scary and prone to angry outbursts, most people who saw him around town say otherwise". Has anyone here actually attempted to subdue a schizophrenic?
"They kept beating him and Tasering him. I could hear zapping, and he wasn't even moving," said Turgeon. "He had one arm in front of him like this, he wasn't resisting. And they kept telling him, 'He's resisting, quit resisting,' and he wasn't resisting."
He was only hit with the taser one time from what the video shows. You can clearly hear the 5 second burst. So if the guy who took the video was so enraged why did he not start recording after the first time he was tased?or the second? or third? So obviously we are missing a good five minutes of video of what happened before all of the bystanders were able to gather around. I'll play devils advocate and assume they tased him 4 other times. obviously it had no effect on him if he is still able to resist. This leads me to believe he was more than likely having a psychotic episode making him feel no pain. Hell it even says in the article "some community members regarded him as scary and prone to angry outbursts, most people who saw him around town say otherwise". Has anyone here actually attempted to subdue a schizophrenic?
Most out here still have the bigger mag-lites :/ To do that much damage with smaller flashlights would almost seem worse! Definitely understand what youre saying though.
Yes my girlfriend is a nurse in a mental hospital and she has subdued many schizophrenic patients and others having psychotic breakdowns WITHOUT the use of drugs by herself and with the use of one other sometimes...and she is 5'2" and 110lbs. And no she didnt have to beat them to death to subdue them.
Also in the video you hear a random lady even comment "they have already tazed him like 5 times, stop tazing him!" Maybe you just choose to see and hear what you want to. Also the guy obviously started the camera late, you even hear him ask his friend "how do you zoom in?"
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