Faux Pas

[RDJ]

Well I just got done watching a JAG rerun. It's the one where the kid shot an "unarmed civilian" in a mosque that turned out to be reaching for a weapons cache instead of surrendering. (for you jag fans). Any way the defense councel is a "Lt." at least that is what they are always calling him. Something bothered me but I couldn't quite figure it. then it hit me, I looked closer to the TV and sure enough, there it was, the Lt. was wearing CAPTAIN's BARS!!!!!

some continuity puke totally ****ed up

 

[WutApex]

Well I just got done watching a JAG rerun. It's the one where the kid shot an "unarmed civilian" in a mosque that turned out to be reaching for a weapons cache instead of surrendering. (for you jag fans). Any way the defense councel is a "Lt." at least that is what they are always calling him. Something bothered me but I couldn't quite figure it. then it hit me, I looked closer to the TV and sure enough, there it was, the Lt. was wearing CAPTAIN's BARS!!!!!

some continuity puke totally ****ed up

Isn't two bars LTJG? Not sure if the Navy calls them LT for short though. When I was in my joint assignment I called it all out, e.g. LTJG xxxx

 

[R1der]

Navy/CG rank is different from Army, Marines, AF rank, 2bars are Captain in the Army/Marines/AF but in the Navy/CG they are LT. also one silver bar is LTJG and two is just LT http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/blofficerrank.htm

 

[RDJ]

Isn't two bars LTJG? Not sure if the Navy calls them LT for short though. When I was in my joint assignment I called it all out, e.g. LTJG xxxx

Ahhh crap now I am gonna have to go find the damn episode again. ****ing navy pukes can't get their insignia right? shit everyone knows that two bars is a freaking captain. Don't they? leave it to the navy to be just different enough to screw everyone LOL


but you are right, I had to google it. as I said in another thread, I have been out here for close to 7 years and still can't get the damn navy ranks right.

 

[R1der]

A full bird in the Army is Captain in the Navy, lol you don't want a O-3 in charge of a whole ship.

 

[DaleM]

Ahhh crap now I am gonna have to go find the damn episode again. ****ing navy pukes can't get their insignia right? shit everyone knows that two bars is a freaking captain. Don't they? leave it to the navy to be just different enough to screw everyone LOL


but you are right, I had to google it. as I said in another thread, I have been out here for close to 7 years and still can't get the damn navy ranks right.

A navy CAPT wears an eagle and is an 0-6. A navy LT wears what look like Army CPT. bars.

 

[WutApex]

Thanks for the link R1der - -

Navy rank always screwed me up - - It was easier for me to just salute and called out "sir" although most Navy personnel I saw at the unified level seemed to be O-6 and above

 

[ITRIEDEL]

call them sir/mam and dont worry about the difference in ranks... either way your following SOP

just like said above. no one wants a OCS grad in charge of a ship

 

[ssj4sadie]

I'm more worried about their Rear Admiral Lower Half:dw::dw::dw:

 

[Matts00GT]

Yeah their ranking system always messed me up too.

The standard bars and such never messed me up as they still apply to the grade. An o-3 in any service wears double bars. Just have different names.

My problem was their shoulder/sleeve rankings.

 

[bunk22]

Sounds to me like the show had it exactly right. Afterall, the US Navy has used the rank for quite some time.

History of the officer rank of Lieutenant:

Lieutenant

A Lieutenant often takes the place of a superior officer when that officer is absent. The word comes from the French lieu (place) and tenant (holder). The Lieutenant then is one who holds the place of another. Since he took the place of a senior officer the Lieutenant ranked next to that person and was his deputy. Such was the case for Lieutenant General and Lieutenant Colonel, which I will discuss later. The Navy Lieutenant Commander came about in a different way, which I will also discuss later. Those who served with Captains might have been called Lieutenant Captains but that title did not survive as a rank.

There may have been Lieutenants aboard British warships as early as the Twelfth Century when the ships carried groups of soldiers to do whatever fighting was necessary. A Captain commanded the soldiers and he might have had a Lieutenant. The rank appeared officially in the British navy about 1580 but soon disappeared. It became a designated rank in 1650 as the rank given to noblemen in training to become Captains. At that time there were no other ranks below Captain so there could be three grades of Lieutenants on a ship--first, second and third.

The Lieutenant has been a part of our Navy since its beginning in 1775. In 1862 the Lieutenant's rank insignia was two gold bars. These became silver in 1877. In 1874 Lieutenants began wearing the sleeve stripes of two one-half-inch wide strips of gold lace.

The rank below Lieutenant in the early days of our Navy was Sailing Master, later Master, a Warrant Officer. After 1855 graduates of the Naval Academy filled those positions. Their complete title was "Master in line for Promotion" to distinguish them from the Warrant Masters who would not be promoted. In 1883 the rank became Lieutenant, Junior Grade. In 1862 the Masters wore a gold bar for rank insignia, which became a silver bar in 1877. In 1881 they started wearing their current sleeve stripes of one one-half-inch and one one-quarter-inch wide strips of gold lace.

On land, there had been Lieutenants in the British and other armies for several centuries so it was logical to have the rank on duty in 1775 with our Army. About 1832 First Lieutenants, except those in the Infantry, began wearing a bar--a gold one--on their shoulder straps as rank insignia. The bar had to be the same color as the borders of their shoulder straps, which were gold. Infantry First Lieutenants, however, wore shoulder straps with silver borders so their bars were of silver. After 1851 all Army officers wore shoulder straps with gold borders so the Infantry First Lieutenants then wore gold bars. The situation was just the opposite when First Lieutenants wore their dress uniforms, which had gold epaulettes. Their rank insignia had to contrast with the gold so they wore silver bars. In 1872 the Army cleared up the confusion and made the bars on shoulder straps silver as well. Second Lieutenants did not have rank insignia but wore epaulettes or shoulder straps so their uniforms identified them as officers. When officers and enlisted men both started wearing khaki uniforms with plain shoulder straps during the Spanish-American War it became more difficult to recognize the Second Lieutenant. Other officers wore metal rank insignia on their shoulder straps or collars. In 1917 the Army settled that problem by making the gold bar the Second Lieutenant's badge of rank.

Then Captain:

Captain

A Captain is a chieftain or head of a unit. The title comes from the Latin word capitaneus that meant chieftain, which in turn came from an older Latin word caput that meant head. It would seem that a Captain could head a unit of any size but as armies evolved his post came to be at the head of a company, which by the Sixteenth Century was usually 100 to 200 men. That seemed to be the number one man could manage in battle. There appear to have been Captains leading Italian soldiers in the Tenth Century. In the Eleventh or Twelfth Century, British warships carried groups of soldiers commanded by Captains to do the fighting. The Navy's rank of Captain came from that practice, which I will describe later in the section on the Navy Captain.

Captains were company commanders in the British, French and other armies for centuries. They carried on that job in our Army and Marine Corps from 1775 to the present. In the Air Force, some Captains command some squadrons, which are about the equivalent of companies.

Army Captains got their rank insignia of two bars in about 1832 at the same time the First Lieutenants got one bar. The bars were gold except for the Infantry officers who wore silver bars until 1851. The two bars originated a few years earlier when Captains and Lieutenants both wore plain epaulettes whose differences were mostly in the size of the fringes. To help distinguish between the two ranks, Captains wore two strips or "holders" of gold or silver lace across the epaulette straps while Lieutenants wore one strip. In 1872 Captains changed to silver bars. These were two separate bar embroidered onto shoulder straps or epaulettes. The "railroad tracks" used by Captains today appeared when officers started using metal pin-on rank insignia on their khaki or olive drab uniforms during or shortly after the Spanish-American War.

 

[FX4 SAPPER]

Catherine Bell is SO ****ING FINE. God damn. Good show too.

 

[RDJ]

blah blah blah,

didn't ask for a history lesson and admitted my ignorance on the subject in my 2nd post. welcome to my ignore list where the stupid and pretentious always wind up.

 

[RDJ]

Catherine Bell is SO ****ING FINE. God damn. Good show too.

ain't this the truth. I have desktop wall paper of her almost nakkie.

 

[type911]

didn't ask for a history lesson and admitted my ignorance on the subject in my 2nd post. welcome to my ignore list where the stupid and pretentious always wind up.

:cryying::cryying::cryying::cryying::cryying::cryying::cryying::cryying::cryying:

Whambulance enroute.


I love history. Thanks for the great post Bunk.

 

[ssj4sadie]

:cryying::cryying::cryying::cryying::cryying::cryying::cryying::cryying::cryying:

Whambulance enroute.


I love history. Thanks for the great post Bunk.

I think you're a little late to this tea party.....

 

[type911]

I think you're a little late to this tea party.....

LOL So true. I finaly get some net time to visit SVTp and I revive a dead thread. Sorry.....playing out in the desert currently. My bad nothing to see here folks.

 

[VenomGTX]

Catherine Bell is SO ****ING FINE. God damn. Good show too.

+10000000000

 

[Root1022]

Where the hell did the catherine bell thing come from? lol did I miss something?

 

[BigSweezey]

Where the hell did the catherine bell thing come from? lol did I miss something?

She played on the show.