falsely accused

[tehnick]

Set the building on fire.

 

[Mo Boost]

Set the building on fire.

WTF....is this "Office Space" material, or what?
Seriously, if the half-assed company this guy was working for had a half-assed Human Resources office ... he could have presented his side of the issue.

I've worked on contracts where you sign an employment agreement as an "at will" employee. This means it is at the discretion of management to terminate you when they please.
The term "at will" is subjective at best, because it really means when you screw up or the budget calls for cuts, you can leave or be fired.
You can resign your position in a day, or management can release you with no legal repercussions.

There is NO way you are going to get your job back.....and I would have been asking how the hell an "uncleared" cleaning lady got in your "SECURE" cipher-locked office without an escort.
She wouldn't have gotten the combo on her own in a real SCIF environment unless someone was with her.

...which means she lodged a complaint (no matter what language she spoke) and she might have had a witness.

If you were in a truly secure office with restricted access, there must be some real phucking clowns employed there .... nobody asks for SEX in a professional corporate environment ... especially if there is any type of Employee Ethics Program or published corporate policy posted on sexual harassment.

Lockheed Martin drills us constantly over employee-management ethics, work-based policy on sexual harassment, and your workspace in a secure office environment ... but the problem wasn't any of this in your case.

It was the comment. That's all that matters. :nonono:

 

[lightning_2000]

If some chick kept asking u service for money, and i already said no to cleaning or dancing what would u think. If that is what she wanted i still wouldnt have done it. I just was shocked it was all happening. The thing is i dont have to pay for sex, im not a studd, but ive never hurt for it. Im married, and i have a kid, and i would never risk stds for some sex, because i wouldnt it to get to my daughter

how would u give it to your daughter?:shrug:

 

[MusPoontang]

If they've said things without proper proof of those claims then Defimation of Character and Slander would be the first things off my lips.

 

[1Day-ACobra]

If some chick kept asking u service for money, and i already said no to cleaning or dancing what would u think. If that is what she wanted i still wouldnt have done it. I just was shocked it was all happening. The thing is i dont have to pay for sex, im not a studd, but ive never hurt for it. Im married, and i have a kid, and i would never risk stds for some sex, because i wouldnt it to get to my daughter

I would say "excuse me ma'am but because you can't speak the language of this country I'm going to find someone to clean who can understand me. Now go away."

 

[awax_cobrastang]

WTF....is this "Office Space" material, or what?
Seriously, if the half-assed company this guy was working for had a half-assed Human Resources office ... he could have presented his side of the issue.

I've worked on contracts where you sign an employment agreement as an "at will" employee. This means it is at the discretion of management to terminate you when they please.
The term "at will" is subjective at best, because it really means when you screw up or the budget calls for cuts, you can leave or be fired.
You can resign your position in a day, or management can release you with no legal repercussions.

There is NO way you are going to get your job back.....and I would have been asking how the hell an "uncleared" cleaning lady got in your "SECURE" cipher-locked office without an escort.
She wouldn't have gotten the combo on her own in a real SCIF environment unless someone was with her.

...which means she lodged a complaint (no matter what language she spoke) and she might have had a witness.

If you were in a truly secure office with restricted access, there must be some real phucking clowns employed there .... nobody asks for SEX in a professional corporate environment ... especially if there is any type of Employee Ethics Program or published corporate policy posted on sexual harassment.

Lockheed Martin drills us constantly over employee-management ethics, work-based policy on sexual harassment, and your workspace in a secure office environment ... but the problem wasn't any of this in your case.

It was the comment. That's all that matters. :nonono:

I dont know if you actually read my post, but i dont want the job back. I just dont like they way it ended. I was never given any ethics training, and i was never briefed on any of there policies. The person her gave her my combo was a spanish guy that works in my group. The room in his mind isnt that big of a deal. I should have just told my boss as soon as he gave the combo out, but because im a consultant i didnt want to look like a guy trying to take his job. The whole situation is just weird, which i why i dont see how they could assess it wihout asking me. I have a great rep at work, i talk to women all the time. They have never had any problems with me. What i dont see is how someone can make a claim, and than i never come back to work. even if they didnt want to be employeed there that is fine, but know i cant get another job. Im being very serious when i say that. I mean my boss from the company called me that morning and said it was a budget issue, and than an hour later my headhunter is calling me saying dont ever talk to anyone from the company again. I mean honestly you think everything i told you sounds right??

 

[awax_cobrastang]

how would u give it to your daughter?:shrug:

because my wife breastfeeds, and i mean stds are not only transfered through sex. And there are thousands of things people have that are not sex based that i dont want nor do i want to give to someone else i love

 

[FordSVTFan]

yes, i lost my job. Basically this spanish cleaning lady.. i dont speak spanish, and she doesnt speak english... was asking me what i would give her money to perform.( i went online and grabed a translator website to find out what she was saying) I kept asking her what she meant and she kept saying anything. I asked her if she meant sex, adn she was like no we talked for a few more seconds, and then she left but didnt seem upset. The next morning i got a call not to ever come back to work or call anyone from work. Im a consultant and they to told my company and they dropped me. The way she told them(well what i assume, as i havent heard from them) is that i was throwning myself at her, and that i was offering her money. The thing is that i work in a locked room. It has a push button combo lock, and she shouldnt have known the number to get in. one of my co-workers gave it to her, and i dont know why. She came in and was asking me about paying her for services, and i was just asking her what she meant. No one asked my side of the story, nobody from the company cared. Im pretty much out of job for a while, because they two companys control the market, and could blackball me out of a job. Alot of the people i work with were good refrences for me as well, and they had connections for future jobs. One of my co-workers called me that day and told me that he found out because the security guard that filled on the statement was telling people what happened. He also said that he thinks it was my bosses way out of having me as an employee which makes no sense for me. I had an open ended contract, meaning he could fire me at anytime, and it was almost up. Im not mad necessarily about the job thing, It is just that they damaged my rep, and my future. He could have told me i was done and i could have found a job within days, but not now that people think im a bad person. Also i thought sexual harassment was constant abuse, so even i did do it the way she said(which i didnt) it still isnt harassment. Thanks for all your help

Since you are an "At Will" employee they can get rid of for any reason barring discrimination based on age, sex, religion, color, creed, etc.

 

[BLUE OVAL NUT]

What are you doing in my moms pants?:read: :shrug:

:shrug: Not saying you are guilty of it or anything but i kind of thought the same thing when i read the post.

 

[EATONSRT]

I'm glad this guy isnt getting any serious responses, he's typically a complete ass to everyone else in there threads. Karmas a bitch.

 

[TheGord]

I live in Delaware so if anyone has an advice please let me know.

"Delaware...Hi, Im in Delaware."

 

[wals9331]

"I got fired from my last job for having sex with the cleaning lady" - George Castanza

 

[01cobravortech]

yes, i lost my job. Basically this spanish cleaning lady.. i dont speak spanish, and she doesnt speak english... was asking me what i would give her money to perform.( i went online and grabed a translator website to find out what she was saying) I kept asking her what she meant and she kept saying anything. I asked her if she meant sex, adn she was like no we talked for a few more seconds, and then she left but didnt seem upset. The next morning i got a call not to ever come back to work or call anyone from work. Im a consultant and they to told my company and they dropped me. The way she told them(well what i assume, as i havent heard from them) is that i was throwning myself at her, and that i was offering her money. The thing is that i work in a locked room. It has a push button combo lock, and she shouldnt have known the number to get in. one of my co-workers gave it to her, and i dont know why. She came in and was asking me about paying her for services, and i was just asking her what she meant. No one asked my side of the story, nobody from the company cared. Im pretty much out of job for a while, because they two companys control the market, and could blackball me out of a job. Alot of the people i work with were good refrences for me as well, and they had connections for future jobs. One of my co-workers called me that day and told me that he found out because the security guard that filled on the statement was telling people what happened. He also said that he thinks it was my bosses way out of having me as an employee which makes no sense for me. I had an open ended contract, meaning he could fire me at anytime, and it was almost up. Im not mad necessarily about the job thing, It is just that they damaged my rep, and my future. He could have told me i was done and i could have found a job within days, but not now that people think im a bad person. Also i thought sexual harassment was constant abuse, so even i did do it the way she said(which i didnt) it still isnt harassment. Thanks for all your help

It sounds to me like you did sexually harass her. So you don't understand what she's saying, so you interpret her statements as having some kind of sexual connotation??? That doesn't make any sense. I have plenty of cleaning ladies in my building that speak Spanish and when we don't know what they're saying...the other guys and me don't somehow say to oursleves I think she wants to know how much we'll pay her to perform. Your story doesn't make sense. And yes you are a bad person if you're out there sexually harassing women.

 

[awax_cobrastang]

Obviously no one is reading. Im not asking about my job at the third party company. They can terminate me, and that is fine, But they ruined my rep, and my actual employer killed the contract i had with him. Also the fact the security guard was telling personal buisness and he is an employee that is defamation. The thing is that I asked her other things, and she kept saying she would do anything, I told her no. I dont know why i thought, or even asked her. All i am saying is that if she is in my room, asking me to give her money, and i assume the wrong thing that is not sexual harasment. They ruined my name, and that is all im saying. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY JOB.

 

[awax_cobrastang]

It sounds to me like you did sexually harass her. So you don't understand what she's saying, so you interpret her statements as having some kind of sexual connotation??? That doesn't make any sense. I have plenty of cleaning ladies in my building that speak Spanish and when we don't know what they're saying...the other guys and me don't somehow say to oursleves I think she wants to know how much we'll pay her to perform. Your story doesn't make sense. And yes you are a bad person if you're out there sexually harassing women.

She kept telling me that she would do anything for money, And asked me what do i want her to perform for sex. Maybe i translated wrong, but that is what i thought. I also didnt think she was serious. She was smiling so i thought maybe she was kidding with me. All im saying is that i dont see how it is sexual harassment to make a mistake, about what someone is trying to tell me. They never asked my side of the story, and they are going around spreading something they dont know to be true.

 

[Labinnac]

That totally sucks. But, in this day of happy feel good PC bullshit you caught the shitty end of the stick right up side the head. She's some minimum wage probably illegal cleaning wench. She saw $$$ and you got burnt for it.

Always CYA.

 

[awax_cobrastang]

the thing is that even the definition of sexaul harassment says adavanceS, i never was coming on to her, she came to me in my room. I should have never said the word sex, but saying sex is not a crime.

 

[Mo Boost]

I read everything ... I understood everything.
Your comment to the cleaning lady was out of line .... management isn't being "politically correct"...they are exercising their legal right to release an employee based upon a perceived action.
Yes, it is all a matter of "perception"....yours, the cleaning woman's, and management.

I've been a defense contractor since 1992 ... it is not something I would recommend to anyone, because the job stability isn't there.
Once in a while, a contractor will work for a decent company. I have worked for LMT for about 5 years now.....best company yet out of the four I have had experience with. Hopefully I work for them a while longer.....

In 2003, I was sent home early from a 6-month tour overseas because I did not get along with 2 people on my site. They claimed I threatened them with "bodily harm" and "physical violence".
They went to management and complained.
No one here can back up my version of the story or independently verify the whole situation, but the fact is I was removed because the two people did not want me there, and told co-workers about it after they returned months later.

I jumped their asses because they were showing up on SF S-2 intel sit-reps for fraternizing with locals, misusing a government vehicle, and being drunk on site. I wasn't there to make friends, and told them so ... which meant I wasn't going to play their little game ... being 2 hours southwest of Bogota in the jungle supporting embassy mission isn't a place for parties or screwing around with local women who move back and forth off-base.
My response wasn't to go to management because one guy was married....getting him in hot water with his wife for "phucking around" wasn't my prerogative or purpose.
...but he didn't see it the same way I did. He didn't have any qualms about disrupting my job or goals....different rules, I suppose.

Because my comments were perceived in a negative light by management, I was removed and lost over $12,000 in pay and incentives.
I was lucky and learned my lesson, because my job could have been at stake.

The lesson is this:
Many times, the people who work with you are NOT YOUR FRIENDS.
They will smile at you and say things to your face and say something different when you are not around.
It may sound paranoid, but there are some people who "move up" by removing other people ... using the "system" or misinforming managers for personal leverage.

NEVER EVER give anyone you don't sleep with or don't trust any reason to doubt your integrity & you will be safe ... and learn to say the right thing at the proper time, or be silent.
Above all, do what is asked of you and go the extra yard to do the job...and leave the unethical managers & employees behind or avoid them....even if it means getting a new job.

 

[awax_cobrastang]

I read everything ... I understood everything.
Your comment to the cleaning lady was out of line .... management isn't being "politically correct"...they are exercising their legal right to release an employee based upon a perceived action.
Yes, it is all a matter of "perception"....yours, the cleaning woman's, and management.

I've been a defense contractor since 1992 ... it is not something I would recommend to anyone, because the job stability isn't there.
Once in a while, a contractor will work for a decent company. I have worked for LMT for about 5 years now.....best company yet out of the four I have had experience with. Hopefully I work for them a while longer.....

In 2003, I was sent home early from a 6-month tour overseas because I did not get along with 2 people on my site. They claimed I threatened them with "bodily harm" and "physical violence".
They went to management and complained.
No one here can back up my version of the story or independently verify the whole situation, but the fact is I was removed because the two people did not want me there, and told co-workers about it after they returned months later.

I jumped their asses because they were showing up on SF S-2 intel sit-reps for fraternizing with locals, misusing a government vehicle, and being drunk on site. I wasn't there to make friends, and told them so ... which meant I wasn't going to play their little game ... being 2 hours southwest of Bogota in the jungle supporting embassy mission isn't a place for parties or screwing around with local women who move back and forth off-base.
My response wasn't to go to management because one guy was married....getting him in hot water with his wife for "phucking around" wasn't my prerogative or purpose.
...but he didn't see it the same way I did. He didn't have any qualms about disrupting my job or goals....different rules, I suppose.

Because my comments were perceived in a negative light by management, I was removed and lost over $12,000 in pay and incentives.
I was lucky and learned my lesson, because my job could have been at stake.

The lesson is this:
Many times, the people who work with you are NOT YOUR FRIENDS.
They will smile at you and say things to your face and say something different when you are not around.
It may sound paranoid, but there are some people who "move up" by removing other people ... using the "system" or misinforming managers for personal leverage.

NEVER EVER give anyone you don't sleep with or don't trust any reason to doubt your integrity & you will be safe ... and learn to say the right thing at the proper time, or be silent.
Above all, do what is asked of you and go the extra yard to do the job...and leave the unethical managers & employees behind or avoid them....even if it means getting a new job.

FOR THE 10TH TIME, im not trying to get my job back. They ruined my career. they told my company stuff that wasnt true. I work for 2 companys. One employees me to the other. If they wanted to let me go they could have done so, but they defamed me. The security guard also went around telling people false things about what happened. I think that they dont know the whole story so there is no way they can say one thing or another, let alone call my company and say i did something that cant be backed up. I just wanted some advice from attorneys and i dont seem to be getting any. Thanks everyone though

 

[RDJ]

outside of generalized advice you are not going to get much applicable on this board for stuff like this. you need to go talk to several attorneys and hire the one that is most honest about your case ... if you have one. Every state is different and sexual harrassment claims are tough ... defamation of character, slander and the like are also tough ... you need to go talk to a local attorney who is familiar with the laws in your state rather than a bunch of gear heads who like to suppose and give irrelevant opinions. Not that there are not valid opinions here they are just not going to help you much