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2009 Nissan GT-R SpecV Full Test on Inside Line

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wL_KxV6q2c]YouTube - Nissan GT-R SpecV Exclusive[/ame]

The 2009 Nissan GT-R SpecV breaks the law.

Actually the GT-R has been breaking the law since last year. Before then, the Japanese car industry kept its high-performance cars below a ceiling of 280 horsepower, an unwritten, yet very real limit established by the Japanese government back in 1989.

But the Nissan GT-R shattered the glass ceiling with its 480-hp twin-turbo V6. And now the 2009 Nissan GT-R SpecV pushes even farther past the barrier, further reinforcing the GT-R's status as a true supercar. Just over a year since the car's introduction, Nissan has given a shot of steroids to Godzilla, creating the most extreme road-going machine that Japan has ever seen.

And we've got the test numbers to prove it.

The Extreme Edition
Since we first spied the prototype of the 2009 Nissan GT-R SpecV while it was being tested at the Nürburgring last year, much has been reported about this high-performance version of the turbocharged, all-wheel-drive GT-R. We've heard about its lightweight carbon-fiber body parts, overboost turbo control, carbon-ceramic brakes, unique suspension setup and special tires. Now we've been invited to Nissan's test track at Tochigi, about two hours from Tokyo, to drive the SpecV. And we've brought along our VBOX to record some performance data.

Kazutoshi Mizuno himself leads us out onto the blacktop at the proving ground, and the GT-R's chief engineer is raving about the ultra-special upgrades represented by this SpecV edition. We feel a little bit like Mel Gibson in Mad Max, as the Goose leads him down into an underground workshop to reveal that thundering 600-hp pursuit special. The Goose beams, "You can shut the gate on this one, Maxy. It's the duck's guts!"

Now Mizuno might not be as colorful with his description, but he is no less enthusiastic. He's the only chief engineer we know of who reports directly to the boss of his car company, and you understand why after hearing his philosophy, "Supercars according to Mizuno."

For example, Mizuno says, "We thought the opposite to most engineers; we thought backward. For our GT-R, we first came up with a target curb weight of around 3,860 pounds and then thought, 'Now, what do we need to achieve that weight?'"

Time To Lose Weight
Sitting here on the asphalt at Tochigi, the 2009 Nissan GT-R SpecV looks more menacing than the standard GT-R. It wears $5,900 in optional Ultimate Black Opal paint (a shade of deep purple), as well as a grille, front brake ducts and rear wing made from lightweight carbon fiber. The forged-aluminum 20-inch wheels by Rays Engineering also reduce weight. To shed further pounds, Mizuno also directed the removal of the two tight-fitting rear seats, replacing them with soft plastic covers. The Recaro seats up front are built up from thin carbon-fiber shells to reduce weight as well.

All told, the SpecV lost 132 pounds, dropping its curb weight to 3,704 pounds. To tell the truth, though, we really had hoped as much as 220 pounds could have been dropped from the bottom line.

It is time for some more of the Mizuno mind. "The GT-R is the anyone-anywhere-anytime supercar," he says. "This is a car tailored to those drivers who really enjoy fast driving and like to push a car to its limits on a track. That's why we strived to build it with the best brakes in the world."

VDC or Launch Control?
With a nod from Mizuno, we flick the starter button and the SpecV springs to life with a deeper, throatier burble than the stock GT-R, all thanks to the titanium exhaust system we've seen before in the Nismo edition of the GT-R. The SpecV's twin-turbo 3.8-liter V6 has been painted black instead of silver, and it gets an extra 5 hp over the original GT-R's output for a total of 485 hp. It's not the 500 hp we hoped for, but as Mizuno explains, "That was not our aim. We wanted to lift the on-road thrill factor, not power."

As part of this effort to give the engine more punch if not more power, the turbos are allowed to exceed their customary boost level when the transmission is in the taller gears, increasing the V6's torque to 448 pound-feet between 3,500 and 5,000 rpm, an increase in peak output of 14 lb-ft.

As we readied ourselves to unleash the car for an acceleration run, Mizuno made sure that we knew about the retuned VDC stability control unit, a modification for all GT-Rs, including the SpecV. He strongly suggested that we leave the VDC engaged, as revisions to the engine's programming (including more midrange boost, we suspect) mean that the car is now as fast with the VDC engaged as it used to be with it disengaged.

"Oh, so you don't want us to use the launch control?" we said with a smile.

To which he replied with a half smile of his own, "What are you talking about? The GT-R has no such feature." Mizuno was just toeing the Nissan company line, because Japanese regulations specify that road cars cannot have launch control systems.

Quick Reactions
Since we're leaving the VDC engaged, there's no need for a dramatic getaway with the tires spinning and the engine pegged at 4,500 rpm. Too much stress on the gearbox, Mizuno reminds us. Instead we take his advice and just transfer our right boot gently off the brake and floor the throttle.

The 2009 Nissan GT-R SpecV takes off instantly with virtually no tire spin, and the car catapults to 60 mph from a standstill in 3.7 seconds (3.3 seconds with 1 foot of rollout), while the quarter-mile flies by in 11.5 seconds at 124.2 mph. This compares with our recent retest of our long-term GT-R with its new Nissan-mandated recalibrated VDC switched on, which gets to 60 mph from a standstill in 3.6 seconds (3.4 seconds with 1 foot of rollout) and makes its pass through the quarter-mile in 11.7 seconds at 118.5 mph.

We're impressed. This is a different testing venue than we have in the U.S. (not to mention a different test driver), but once the proper weather correction factors are taken into account, the SpecV appears to be running with the 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1. The supercharged 638-hp ZR1 does zero to 60 mph in 3.8 seconds (3.5 seconds with 1 foot of rollout) and gets through the quarter-mile in 11.5 seconds at 128.3 mph.

Driving the Cones
Yet we expect to be even more impressed by the SpecV's performance in the slalom. This new suspension setup has been optimized by the Nissan engineers for a preferred mix of street and track capability, and the Bilstein dampers are not adjustable.

These tires might look like standard 20-inch Bridgestone Potenza RE070Rs, but they're not. To withstand the extreme braking produced by the SpecV's brake setup with its carbon-ceramic rotors and Brembo callipers (six-piston units in front and four-piston items in the rear), Mizuno asked Bridgestone to add rigidity to the sidewalls and shoulders and then to produce a tread pattern that puts more rubber in contact with the road (which sounds to us somewhat like the Dunlop SP Sport tire on the standard GT-R).

There's a titanic amount of grip. On the skid pad at Tochigi, we get 1.12g, a sensational improvement over the stock all-wheel-drive GT-R's 0.93g. This performance also edges the Corvette ZR1, which we've measured at 1.06g.

Pushing the all-wheel-drive SpecV through the slalom, we immediately notice just how much more composed this GT-R is at speed. There's no understeer and the steering is alive with more feedback from the tires than ever before. Unfortunately there are issues with our data-logging technique, but help from some VBOX experts in Japan seems to peg our speed at 74.7 mph, almost 1 mph faster than our long-term GT-R with its Bridgestone Potenza RE070R tires. This also puts the SpecV on par with the Corvette ZR1.

When it comes to braking from 60 mph, though, we're unable to crack 106 feet. We might not be putting enough heat into the carbon-ceramic rotors, although a stop from this speed is also largely a matter of tires, not brakes. Or maybe the problem is dust on the asphalt. Who knows?

At Last, We Really Drive
Mizuno next points us in the direction of the winding test track at the back of the facility. We do our first lap of Nissan's 2-mile course at about 80 percent of the SpecV's potential just to warm up the brakes. The next lap we open the throttle more and leave our braking later, diving deeper and deeper into each successive corner. And the SpecV just keeps delivering, inviting us even deeper into the turns.

Nothing can really prepare you for the galactic braking force from carbon-ceramic brakes used to full effectiveness from high speed. We were told that up to 2 Gs of deceleration are being generated under full braking from 150 mph. Yes, it feels that brutal as your body slumps forward irresistibly when you hammer the brake pedal, like braking in a GT racing car. But the SpecV remains stable even under such extreme deceleration, lending you an eerie sense of calm even as the corner rushes toward you. You almost feel as though you are coming out of cinematic hyperspace, as the blurred scenery slows down and comes into focus. The only downside is that when the time comes to replace the rotors and pads, you'd better have $50,000 in your back pocket.

As we exited yet another corner at Nissan's Tochigi test track, we flicked the switch on the steering wheel that engages the high-gear boost control, just to see what all the fuss is about. The switch gives you an extra 14 lb-ft of torque between 3,500 and 5,000 rpm for 80 seconds. "Just enough for a half lap of a racetrack like Fuji International Speedway," explains Mizuno.

Twice as Much?
In the 2009 Nissan GT-R SpecV, Mizuno has created a GT-R track special that's packing prodigious brakes, super-grippy rubber and a suspension setup that generates both ample traction and acceptable ride levels. But all this comes at a premium — $161,800. That's double the price of the base GT-R, not to mention $50,000 more than the Corvette ZR1. At this price, the SpecV could be a hard sell in Japan, even if Nissan is building only 30 examples per month. There are no plans to bring the SpecV to the U.S.

Just to keep our interest in the evolution of Japan's greatest ever car, Nissan will turn up at the Nürburgring with the SpecV in April, intending to break the GT-R's lap time of 7:29 set last year.

And there's more GT-R in the pipeline. Mizuno tells us, "The SpecV, in contrast to what you might be thinking, is not the high-performance version of the GT-R." That's right. Mr. GT-R has more magic up his sleeve.
 

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Road & Track Magazine - Driving Impression: 2009 Nissan GT-R SpecV (3/2009)

Any Nissan GT-R enthusiast will tell you, the most potent variant has always had a "Spec V" emblem on it. It was true with the R34, and it's true with the R35, the current GT-R. We didn't know if Nissan was even going to build a SpecV variant of the new GT-R until several months ago, and since then, information about the car had been sketchy. Well, there's some good news and some bad. The good? The SpecV is officially on sale, and it's every bit as good as you would expect. The bad? It's not going on sale in the U.S.

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When you look at the new GT-R's specifications, they don't seem that different from the base car's. Under the hood is the same VR38DETT engine, with output increased a mere 5 bhp to 485 bhp; torque remains at 434 lb.-ft. But when you drop your butt down into the seats and get the car going, it's immediately apparent that this is far from the base GT-R.

The first thing you notice when you climb into the SpecV is it's a 2-seater. The rear seats have been removed, leaving two large crevices lined with what Nissan claims is the same quilted fabric used inside fighter jets. Push the Start Engine button, and the V-6 lets out a deeper and more melodic song, thanks to a new exhaust with titanium-coated dual pipes. As in the 2010 GT-R, the GT-R SpecV's "launch control" has been reprogrammed to work at slightly lower rpm.

There's no wheel chirp when the SpecV leaves the line, just a smooth non-dramatic pop. When the engine is fully unleashed, it revs so fast that you have to anticipate reaching the rev limiter, flicking the upshift paddle just as it hits 7000 rpm. The SpecV is more than 130 lb. lighter, and you can feel the difference when leaving the line. Our black test car hit 60 mph in 3.2 seconds. Once the upshift to 4th was made, the car's High Geared Boost Control kicks in, giving you an added shot of power in gears 4, 5 and 6. This technology was created to help the SpecV squirt out of medium-speed corners, providing an extra helping of torque at lower engine speeds. It also helped the car post an impressive quarter-mile time of 11.3 seconds at 124.8 mph.

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The SpecV's stopping power was phenomenal. Giant carbon ceramic vented discs have been installed front and rear, along with special ceramic pads. They combined to provide amazing stopping power and little fade, even after extended hot-lapping. By themselves, these brakes cost an astounding $50,000 per set.

On a handling course, the SpecV handled like a lightweight sports car, with improved steering feel and response. The car's basic suspension setup remains the same, but the SpecV gets special Bilstein shocks, which kept the GT-R SpecV composed through all types of corners and provided a surprisingly even ride. And it scorched our handling tests, weaving through the slalom at 74.6 mph and circling the skidpad at 1.10g.

No word as to when, or if, the SpecV will come to the U.S., but we're keeping our fingers crossed. As of now, Japan is the only country where it is being sold. The GT-R SpecV is one of those special cars that don't come by very often, and it would be a shame if the Americans were left out of this party.
 

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Dont use launch control , youll break the tranny , lol. Badass car none the less . especially if your HKS and your selling a 20K exhaust , as seen here.

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looks nice though . And it picked up 40 Hp with 2 cats still left on.
 
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more money then a zr1 thats nuts ?????? 25psi can you use the launch control whenever u want ????

Yes you can. Nissan changed the 4500 rpm limiter for LC to 3000 I believe. People are managing faster times with launching at 3000 vs 4500.
 

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3.2 and 11.3 is getting it done. Yeah, it's expensive as shit, but it's certainly got it where it counts.

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Dont use launch control , youll break the tranny , lol. Badass car none the less . especially if your HKS and your selling a 20K exhaust , as seen here.

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looks nice though . And it picked up 40 Hp with 2 cats still left on.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5H4otfmv10]YouTube - Switzer Performance 700HP Nissan R35 GTR - First Drive[/ame]


Not bad at all. Especially on pump gas.
 

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They say it appears to be running with the ZR1, but 118mph trap vs 128mph trap is not even close. I would also say the 128 is on the low end for the ZR1. It is just too much money for a Nissan.
 

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3.2 and 11.3 is getting it done. Yeah, it's expensive as shit, but it's certainly got it where it counts.

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O trust me, it's going to come lol.

The times are very respectable. Especially the mph increase over the standard GTR.
 

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They say it appears to be running with the ZR1, but 118mph trap vs 128mph trap is not even close. I would also say the 128 is on the low end for the ZR1. It is just too much money for a Nissan.

It trapped 125 not 118. 118 was the standard GTR
 

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double the price......5 more horses...130 pounds lighter.....still ugly. No thanks

and no way does this turd keep up with the zr1 in a straight line. i sense fail
 

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double the price......5 more horses...130 pounds lighter.....still ugly. No thanks

and no way does this turd keep up with the zr1 in a straight line. i sense fail

That's whats wrong with alot of you folks. Don't look at hp numbers, look at whats involved in the package. Further, there are only 200 being produced a year.
 

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That's whats wrong with alot of you folks. Don't look at hp numbers, look at whats involved in the package. Further, there are only 200 being produced a year.

dude i'm sorry, but theres not enough in this "package" to justify a 100% price increase. and i for one think the base gtr is overpriced

$5900 paint? seriously? GTFO
 

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dude i'm sorry, but theres not enough in this "package" to justify a 100% price increase. and i for one think the base gtr is overpriced

$5900 paint? seriously? GTFO

There's more tech in the GTR that the Viper and ZR1 combined. That's why it's more expensive. Secondly, supply and demand dictates price.

Is the ZR1 worth twice as much as the Z06?
 

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It trapped 125 not 118. 118 was the standard GTR

Oh ok I read it wrong.

The thing is, is the GT-R is SUPPOSED to be a bargain supercar. It's no longer impressive if it has basically the same performance as the ZR1 or ACR but costs $50k more. Also, this can hardly even be classified as a production car with the extremely small output, even more so because its only to be sold in Japan. I'm trying to find the relevance of this car, and I'm coming up blank.

There's more tech in the GTR that the Viper and ZR1 combined. That's why it's more expensive. Secondly, supply and demand dictates price.

Is the ZR1 worth twice as much as the Z06?

That might be the case, but whats the result? It is slightly faster, as shown, than the ACR and ZR1, but not justifiably faster than the $50k increase would lead you to believe. The AK47 is hardly technically sophisticated, but it gets the job done with rugged simplicity. There are two forms of engineering, and the 'Vette/Viper and GT-R just happen to polarize the two ends. Don't call it better simply because it has more 'technology.'

The ZR1 is not twice the price (comparing MSRP) of the Z06 and you do get a completely new engine, revised suspension with newly engineered parts and further chassis refinements. So, I would say yes, the ZR1 is easily worth the $30,000 or so increase in price. (hell the crate engine itself is probably $20k new)

I get the feeling the Nissan engineers are just "fiddling" with the GT-R then requiring mortgage to buy it.
 
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Oh ok I read it wrong.

The thing is, is the GT-R is SUPPOSED to be a bargain supercar. It's no longer impressive if it has basically the same performance as the ZR1 or ACR but costs $50k more. Also, this can hardly even be classified as a production car with the extremely small output, even more so because its only to be sold in Japan. I'm trying to find the relevance of this car, and I'm coming up blank.

I totally agree with you.
 

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Dont use launch control , youll break the tranny , lol. Badass car none the less . especially if your HKS and your selling a 20K exhaust , as seen here.

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looks nice though . And it picked up 40 Hp with 2 cats still left on.

:eek: . . . . . . .:eek:. . . . . . You have to be kidding, $20,000 for friggin exhaust. Is it made out of gold and diamonds? That has to be some kind of record.
 

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Oh ok I read it wrong.

The thing is, is the GT-R is SUPPOSED to be a bargain supercar. It's no longer impressive if it has basically the same performance as the ZR1 or ACR but costs $50k more. Also, this can hardly even be classified as a production car with the extremely small output, even more so because its only to be sold in Japan. I'm trying to find the relevance of this car, and I'm coming up blank.

+1

The regular GTR impressed me because it provided Porsche-level performance at half the price. With the Spec V removing that bang-for-your-buck factor, I'd rather just have the Porsche. $160K can buy me a 911 Turbo or GT3 with money left over for a DD. :rockon:
 

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There's more tech in the GTR that the Viper and ZR1 combined. That's why it's more expensive. Secondly, supply and demand dictates price.

first off, no, supply and demand is not the only thing that dictates price. second, while there may be more "tech" in the gtr, it still doesnt justify the price. nissan could have made a typical sports car, with the same power using the tt 6, and made it awd and still done well without all the "tech", they just chose a different route

Is the ZR1 worth twice as much as the Z06

no, actually it isn't. and the fact that the zr1 has a completely different motor, with almost 140 more hp, completely different suspension, and completely different chassis components only further hurts your arguement to justify the v spec's price increase
 

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