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<blockquote data-quote="97desertCobra" data-source="post: 12754407" data-attributes="member: 53488"><p>Most infantry guys are not educated on what takes place in Sapper Leader Course. I find in most cases the majority only know that women are allowed to attend the course (since 1999 I believe) therefore its seen as being inferior to Ranger School and was only authorized as a feel good about yourself tab that women can earn. Sapper school is half the length of Ranger school, not as physically demanding but very mentally taxing because there is a lot of technical knowledge required in the course for engineer missions (mostly demo calculations and set up). The course still has a 50% washout rate with those who earn the tab and those who do not. Which is right about where Ranger School is.</p><p></p><p>Again I personally think it should have never been authorized for wear on the uniform. It was actually more prestigious in my eyes when a guy went through hell to get a tab that he has to conceal under the front flap of his BDU's. To me it meant he went for the leadership experience and the validation of combat engineer knowledge and proficiency, not because he wanted another neat strip of cloth on his uniform. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>WTF is your problem? I can't or shouldn't have an opinion on the matter just because I'm an E-6 in a line company? Who do you think initially writes awards for the lower enlisted? Combat awards for valor are overwhelmingly awarded to soldiers in combat units, the same kind I'm in right now. In addition I'm commenting on something that is directly a part of my career field. The perceptions and opinions of soldiers from E-1 all the way to O-10 are equally important, they just happen to be concentrated on different things. If I didn't give a shit about what my lowest ranking soldier thought, felt, level of morale etc I would be doing him a disservice and that would make me a bad leader. </p><p></p><p>You actually outline the exact kind of thinking that 99.9% of every politician in Washington has about all the rest of us. Its that kind of leadership or lack thereof that has gotten this country in trouble. A good leader will listen the opinions of those on the ground, hear their experiences and learn their perceptions. That doesn't mean they will always appease to the masses, it just means that they will consider things from their perspective and make decisions based on the good of the force. Recent decisions like allowing women in combat arms jobs and this stupid ****ing medal for valor are the product of leaders seeking political gain and not what keeps us a strong fighting force. By the sound of it you getting out of the military was better for the force overall.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="97desertCobra, post: 12754407, member: 53488"] Most infantry guys are not educated on what takes place in Sapper Leader Course. I find in most cases the majority only know that women are allowed to attend the course (since 1999 I believe) therefore its seen as being inferior to Ranger School and was only authorized as a feel good about yourself tab that women can earn. Sapper school is half the length of Ranger school, not as physically demanding but very mentally taxing because there is a lot of technical knowledge required in the course for engineer missions (mostly demo calculations and set up). The course still has a 50% washout rate with those who earn the tab and those who do not. Which is right about where Ranger School is. Again I personally think it should have never been authorized for wear on the uniform. It was actually more prestigious in my eyes when a guy went through hell to get a tab that he has to conceal under the front flap of his BDU's. To me it meant he went for the leadership experience and the validation of combat engineer knowledge and proficiency, not because he wanted another neat strip of cloth on his uniform. WTF is your problem? I can't or shouldn't have an opinion on the matter just because I'm an E-6 in a line company? Who do you think initially writes awards for the lower enlisted? Combat awards for valor are overwhelmingly awarded to soldiers in combat units, the same kind I'm in right now. In addition I'm commenting on something that is directly a part of my career field. The perceptions and opinions of soldiers from E-1 all the way to O-10 are equally important, they just happen to be concentrated on different things. If I didn't give a shit about what my lowest ranking soldier thought, felt, level of morale etc I would be doing him a disservice and that would make me a bad leader. You actually outline the exact kind of thinking that 99.9% of every politician in Washington has about all the rest of us. Its that kind of leadership or lack thereof that has gotten this country in trouble. A good leader will listen the opinions of those on the ground, hear their experiences and learn their perceptions. That doesn't mean they will always appease to the masses, it just means that they will consider things from their perspective and make decisions based on the good of the force. Recent decisions like allowing women in combat arms jobs and this stupid ****ing medal for valor are the product of leaders seeking political gain and not what keeps us a strong fighting force. By the sound of it you getting out of the military was better for the force overall. [/QUOTE]
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