Department changed to the S&W M&P40..

[Mt Twigbert]

Yup, our range said they were having too many reported problems w/ the Glock 22 and made the change to the S&W M&P40.. Can't be cheap because we have about 1,800 officers.. I heard Detroit and I think it was Pittsburgh also made the switch from Glock to S&W..

Anyone else having problems and their dept making a change from Glock?

 

[Lawfficer]

Nope. My G22 works like a charm. Has never failed me once....

 

[fiveohpoepoe]

Nope. My G22 works like a charm. Has never failed me once....

And I hope it never does bro

 

[musclemustang65]

I desperatly wish they would change our issue gun. Its a sig sauer .45 and it blows. I hate the trigger pull the first shot and with one in the chamber it only holds 8 rounds.

 

[Krwy]

I know its standard issue with California Highway Patrol. I shot it at the range and it feels really good.

 

[carnut726]

My off-duty is a glock and i love it. Deprtmnt issue used to be S&W but we switched to the H & K USP 40 wit hthe Law enforcment trigger mod. That thing kicks the smith's ass in my humble opinion of course.

 

[Hitman318]

My off-duty is a glock and i love it. Deprtmnt issue used to be S&W but we switched to the H & K USP 40 wit hthe Law enforcment trigger mod. That thing kicks the smith's ass in my humble opinion of course.

Lucky man lol. i wish we got HKs. I like my glock 22 though. That S&W looks sweet

 

[Spade]

We just switched over to the Smith M&P 40 with the Streamlight light and it is very nice. I think you will be very happy.

 

[Junior00]

Yup, our range said they were having too many reported problems w/ the Glock 22 and made the change to the S&W M&P40.. Can't be cheap because we have about 1,800 officers.. I heard Detroit and I think it was Pittsburgh also made the switch from Glock to S&W..

Anyone else having problems and their dept making a change from Glock?

What were all the reported problems you mention??? Curiosity has peaked now. The M&P is a nice peace but as someone mentioned, I personally like the HK better in terms of feel and pull.

 

[My Cobra]

We shoot H&K. Our PD shoots glock 22

 

[Mt Twigbert]

What were all the reported problems you mention??? Curiosity has peaked now. The M&P is a nice peace but as someone mentioned, I personally like the HK better in terms of feel and pull.

Our range masters told us about jamming and stove pipes happening.. How often? I dunno, but from what I understand it would be once every few months.. But I guess that was unacceptable to them.. They believed it was a change in the magazine design that Glock made..

They had a big video for every officer to watch on the changes S&W made to better the 'Glock' design.. Most of it was little stuff to prolong the life of the weapon.. Such as thicker metal (at the tip) in certain spots incase the receive was dropped it will no longer bend and thus the ENTIRE gun was done.. Our Glocks, as I think all are, have 1 specific serial number stamped on all of the major pieces.. Thus, if one portion of the gun was flawed the WHOLE gun had to be sent in for repairs..

However, w/ the S&W there is only 1 serial number on the gun and if something fails then that 1 piece can be replaced and not the whole gun..

Also, another big improvement is each magazine and major component of the gun has batch markings.. This way, if our department finds a certain number of guns appeare to be flawed they can go back to S&W and they can do research regarding that 'batch of guns'.. This is something Glock didn't do.. Glock had no way of knowing when, where, by whom or what machine their parts were coming off and no way of correcting the problem..

I suspect it was a number of things that caused the change.. Either way, it must have been BIG for our dept. to make the change w/ over 1,800 officers.. Lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$...

Edit: I don't doubt there are nicer guns out there but I have to carry what the department tells me to.. I suspect 80% of the decision to go to this gun is because it is of the same charastics as the Glocks (i.e. no hammer and no safety, kinda). To change to a new gun w/ 1,800 people is big but to change the entire style is more $$$ than I think our department could stomach.. Each officer only had 8 hours of training and as much ammo as we could shoot in that amount of time.. We were told to change to an entirely new gun would have been more like 20 hours of training if not more..

 

[stainless40cal]

What happend to all these old glocks there not using? Any for sale?

 

[My Cobra]

our department has a glock armor that repairs and services the weapons every year. I was told that the guns that we have are swapped by glock every 5 years. We are about to get a new batch but the old ones only had to replace a few springs in mags that is it.

do you guys have to get a different holster or same type just for a different weapon? I hated having to swap to another holster.

 

[mkb116]

I know its standard issue with California Highway Patrol.

No it isn't. Its a S&W 4006 TSW

 

[ChrisSD]

I just bought a P226R in .40 S&W. Best gun I have ever fired.

I don't like the P220 either like the poster above.

 

[bscarberry]

I was just talking to one of the officers in the Casino I work at on Saturday about Detroit switching over to the S&W. He said he liked his glock better but that may be because that's all he's ever shot. I have small hands so I don't like the feel of the staggered clips personally

 

[rubber duck]

I only wish our department would upgrade to a M&P40, hell I would consider a Glock an upgrade. We still carry OLD P226's, heavy bastards with a trigger pull that simulates rowing a boat, it was considered a big deal when they went from a 9mm to a .40. I've had to have my gun sent out twice in the last couple years for various bs. Multiple misfires, stovepipes, MAJOR malfunctions, lucky for me they happened on the range. What's worse is when they had to send it off I had to carry an old spare from the armory. Talk about crossing your fingers.

 

[carnut726]

No it isn't. Its a S&W 4006 TSW

thats our old weapon, i hated the friggin thing.

 

[notchstang92]

thats our old weapon, i hated the friggin thing.

I had one of those. I HATED that gun. I have never had a gun stove pipe on me like that one did.

My buddy has an M&P .40. I'm not a fan. I will take my sig P229 anyday over it. He had a trigger job done and its not as bad, but there is someothing about it. It seems to snap too much in the recoil.

 

[john_anch_ak]

Yup, our range said they were having too many reported problems w/ the Glock 22 and made the change to the S&W M&P40.. Can't be cheap because we have about 1,800 officers.. I heard Detroit and I think it was Pittsburgh also made the switch from Glock to S&W..

Anyone else having problems and their dept making a change from Glock?

I just received the August 2009 edition of "Gun Tests" and if any of you also subscribe to this fine magazine you might want to check out pages 4/5. It lists a few points by the L.A. Sheriff's Department regarding the S&W M&P 40. Here's just a couple of items in the article: "Quality of Smith and Wesson 9mm M&P pistols has become a concern because of a recent barrel failure on an in-service deputy's pistol, coupled with additional extraction jams on deputy recruit pistols (46% of recruit class experiencing some degree of malfunctions-mostly phase-2 jam failures to extract spent casings). Then the article goes on to say both the full size and compact M&P are no longer authorized for on duty/off duty. Anyone who uses one of these pistols and whose life depends on one of these pistols might want to pick up and read this article. I only pass this on because I don't want to see any of you get hurt because of a malfunctioning firearm.