Its time for a clutch what do you guys think the Mcleod twin disk or Spec Stage 3.
Clutch time which is best Mcleod or Spec
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The spec cant hold a candle to McLeod on high HP cobra's from what I have seen. I will be getting the McLeod myself, the only other clutch that is even in the running with the McLeod for high HP cobra's is the centerforce.
The problem with the McLeod twin disk is that it is not sprung which is not good for your transmission. The Centerforce DF is getting good reviews by the high HP guys currently. JDM is testing another clutch by daikin currently, but it is really expensive like 1800 for the clutch, pressure plate and tob. I believe it is a twin disk also, but it is sprung and rated at a higher HP then the McLeod.
I guess I wasnt aware of that toofast. Im not a manual transmission guru by any stretch, can you fill us in on just how the unsprung McLoed isnt good for the tranny?
Hammer and the other transmission guys were talking about it on svtsnake.com. The problem as I understand it basically comes down to shock. The unsprung clutch does not provide any give to absorb the shock of going into gear and it sounds like the fact that they McLeod has ferocious grip doesn't help the matter. Clutches that are sprung absorb some of the shock of going into gear.
Take a look at this.
New Clutch about to be Tested for the BIG HP Terminators...
New Clutch about to be Tested for the BIG HP Terminators...
Ok so the issue is that its simply grabbing to well and blasting that instantaneous TQ into the driveline. Couple that with gooey tires, VHT and a heavy car and stuff breaks. Im about down for serious power mods (for this year
) and am concentrating on beefing up driveline(bushings, input shaft, lvl 5 halfshaft kit etc) and as much as I like to race, I dont think my car will be running slicks, I like a car that can handle like its on rails but still run a repectable quarter mile and get me to and from the track. Im thinking that if im not running slicks the McLeod (or any other grippy unsprung clutch for that matter) will be fine...or did I musunderstand something along the way?What do you think of the Centerforce and where is the best place to get it.
An unsprung disk also makes regular street driving much more of a challenge. Smooth gradual takes off are not impossible, but are a lot of work...
Dana
Dana
i'm happy with my mcleod twin disc, steel flywheel and 26 spline input shaft setup!
From what I heard xplicits car isnt responding well to the clutch. He has lots of tranny noises. What toofast4u said about the mcleod doing to a tranny seems to be the problem with xplicits car and maybe more. I hope its nothing serious. Hes a great guy with a great looking car but he hasnt really been posting anymore.
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Not responding well? That sounds a bit odd. How does a car not respond well to a clutch made for the car?
Control, nothing personal at all, thanks for answering bro, I was wondering where the heck he went to also?
Who did the clutch install and what are they saying?
We have a couple local guys here running the mcleod that I am aware of, ones a 97 cobra totally built (600hp) with a viperspec T56 and he open tracks and all sorts of stuff, he likes the clutch. Another is a 900+rwhp TT camaro and he claims car is as streetable as ever. :shrug:
I've used a variety of clutches and even that diaken which started doing mustang clutches last year after response from the 2002 sema show from mustang owners. They also opened up a facility here in Michigan. I've predominantly used mcleod stuff and have been fairly happy. But definitely go with some of the responses above that its not a very user friendly clutch. It’s either "there" or not. No slipping with the single disk or twin plate. Both very harsh clutchs. I never liked anything by Centerforce. I've got pics of the diaken stuff here some where.
NPI recently bought out some clutch company and I';m going to be testing some new stuff. Not like teh clutch market is saturated all ready.
NPI recently bought out some clutch company and I';m going to be testing some new stuff. Not like teh clutch market is saturated all ready.
Doesnt diaken want like $1800 for their setup?
I believe their twin disk is that much. I believe it includes a chromoly flywheel and a billet aluminum pressure plate.
Take a look at this. They have some of the best info on clutches I have seen. The movies are great.
Daikin Clutches Technical
Daikin Clutches Technical
The main reason a clutch has a sprung hub is to damp out engine torsional vibrations. The McLeod causes the driveline to get noisy when you lug the car, particularly in the upper gears.
A sprung hub also allows a few degrees of rotation between the input shaft and the flywheel. The Mcleod has been real hard in parts. Jim at JDM, Hammer and I have been discussing why the McLeod is so hard on parts. Maybe it is a lack of springs, maybe it is that it grabs so hard, maybe a combination of both.
The Diaken is an amazing piece. I've held it in my hand. The two discs are smaller compared to the Mcleod. The damper springs are also small. Of course each disk takes half the load so maybe two discs with smaller springs will give the same damping. However, the smaller springs seem to have less torsional travel, which would mean the Daiken will "take up" faster than a stock clutch, which has some huge springs.
I can't wait to hear what Jim thinks once the Daikein is in.
JT
A sprung hub also allows a few degrees of rotation between the input shaft and the flywheel. The Mcleod has been real hard in parts. Jim at JDM, Hammer and I have been discussing why the McLeod is so hard on parts. Maybe it is a lack of springs, maybe it is that it grabs so hard, maybe a combination of both.
The Diaken is an amazing piece. I've held it in my hand. The two discs are smaller compared to the Mcleod. The damper springs are also small. Of course each disk takes half the load so maybe two discs with smaller springs will give the same damping. However, the smaller springs seem to have less torsional travel, which would mean the Daiken will "take up" faster than a stock clutch, which has some huge springs.
I can't wait to hear what Jim thinks once the Daikein is in.
JT
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