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2010 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 cometh, order guide leaked online
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<blockquote data-quote="Formula51" data-source="post: 7645088" data-attributes="member: 19833"><p>The difference between the 1SS and 2SS is leather and the availability of some options that are not available for the 1SS such as ambient lighting. 1SS and 2SS are essentially option packages. Thus, you can get a 1SS automatic or manual Camaro or a 2SS automatic or manual Camaro. You are correct that the automatic is rated at less horsepower but it is still an LS3 with a different valve train for the cylinder deactivation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, a 1SS Camaro will not have leather. You have to get a 2SS Camaro for leather. This is why I keep saying "performance" for the dollar because the entire drivetrain, brakes, etc. is the same for the 1SS and the 2SS. If we were to look beyond just performance and compare comparably equipped cars then we would need to look at a 2SS Camaro, which is still about $10k less than the 2009 GT500.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The 2SS Camaro you quoted earlier at $33,430 gets you leather and a good stereo. Obviously you cannot get 500hp in a Camaro SS which is where the price difference comes into play and their lies the difficulty in comparing the two.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I was not wanting to compare anything other than stock versus stock and the relative price of the vehicles. You brought up modifications and I was simply pointing out that the price difference between the Camaro and the GT500 leaves a lot of room for modifications. The difference between the Mustang GT and Camaro SS is that you are starting with a base motor that already has 422hp as opposed to 315hp. It also 6.2L of displacement compared to 4.6L and thus has much more potential. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To be far, we should compare a 2010 GT500 to a 2010 Camaro SS, but I agree there are some great deals out there on older GT500's. It will be interesting to see how the Camaro does on a road course. We have some Nurburgring times for comparison to other cars, but since Ford doesn't test there we cant compare it to the Mustang GT or GT500. We will have to wait and see.</p><p></p><p>I don't know what numbers you are referring to with the G8 GXP and Mustang GT, but a 2004 GTO and G8 GT run with the current Mustang GT (13.4 to 13.8 range). The G8 GXP time of 13.0 at 108mph does more than just barely beat a Mustang GT. You do realize how much half a second is right? The Camaro has 200 less pounds to drag around, but slightly different final gearing so we will have to wait and see how it does.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not trying to be that guy, I just think it is funny how many people have a complete inability to objectively look at things. While I am impressed at GM's price point for the car, it is entirely too heavy for my liking. We know enough about the cars chassis, engine, and drivetrain based on other cars in the GM lineup such as the Corvette and G8 to make a good educated guess at the cars bang for the buck. </p><p></p><p>Personally, I think a used GT500 or a new Camaro SS would be a tough decision for me as I would only buy either as a daily driver and very occasional drag strip car. They are just too heavy and too much money to thrash at the track for me. I will leave that duty to my cheap and light (relatively) 4th Gen that is a lot cheaper to fix when things break.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Formula51, post: 7645088, member: 19833"] The difference between the 1SS and 2SS is leather and the availability of some options that are not available for the 1SS such as ambient lighting. 1SS and 2SS are essentially option packages. Thus, you can get a 1SS automatic or manual Camaro or a 2SS automatic or manual Camaro. You are correct that the automatic is rated at less horsepower but it is still an LS3 with a different valve train for the cylinder deactivation. No, a 1SS Camaro will not have leather. You have to get a 2SS Camaro for leather. This is why I keep saying "performance" for the dollar because the entire drivetrain, brakes, etc. is the same for the 1SS and the 2SS. If we were to look beyond just performance and compare comparably equipped cars then we would need to look at a 2SS Camaro, which is still about $10k less than the 2009 GT500. The 2SS Camaro you quoted earlier at $33,430 gets you leather and a good stereo. Obviously you cannot get 500hp in a Camaro SS which is where the price difference comes into play and their lies the difficulty in comparing the two. I was not wanting to compare anything other than stock versus stock and the relative price of the vehicles. You brought up modifications and I was simply pointing out that the price difference between the Camaro and the GT500 leaves a lot of room for modifications. The difference between the Mustang GT and Camaro SS is that you are starting with a base motor that already has 422hp as opposed to 315hp. It also 6.2L of displacement compared to 4.6L and thus has much more potential. To be far, we should compare a 2010 GT500 to a 2010 Camaro SS, but I agree there are some great deals out there on older GT500's. It will be interesting to see how the Camaro does on a road course. We have some Nurburgring times for comparison to other cars, but since Ford doesn't test there we cant compare it to the Mustang GT or GT500. We will have to wait and see. I don't know what numbers you are referring to with the G8 GXP and Mustang GT, but a 2004 GTO and G8 GT run with the current Mustang GT (13.4 to 13.8 range). The G8 GXP time of 13.0 at 108mph does more than just barely beat a Mustang GT. You do realize how much half a second is right? The Camaro has 200 less pounds to drag around, but slightly different final gearing so we will have to wait and see how it does. I'm not trying to be that guy, I just think it is funny how many people have a complete inability to objectively look at things. While I am impressed at GM's price point for the car, it is entirely too heavy for my liking. We know enough about the cars chassis, engine, and drivetrain based on other cars in the GM lineup such as the Corvette and G8 to make a good educated guess at the cars bang for the buck. Personally, I think a used GT500 or a new Camaro SS would be a tough decision for me as I would only buy either as a daily driver and very occasional drag strip car. They are just too heavy and too much money to thrash at the track for me. I will leave that duty to my cheap and light (relatively) 4th Gen that is a lot cheaper to fix when things break. [/QUOTE]
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