I think the engine is the same, as well as the transmission, but I think the suspension is a bit different. Slightly IIRC.Are you saying the GT350R feels different then the GT350? Arnt the engine, transmission and suspension identical?
I think the engine is the same, as well as the transmission, but I think the suspension is a bit different. Slightly IIRC.Are you saying the GT350R feels different then the GT350? Arnt the engine, transmission and suspension identical?
The Transmissions are the same, but everything else is different. It has been confirmed several times that the engine in the GT350R is different than the GT350 due to the higher G loads the car could pull. The Magneride suspension tuning, ABS tuning, shocks/strut valving, and aero make them very different cars.Are you saying the GT350R feels different then the GT350? Arnt the engine, transmission and suspension identical?
The Transmissions are the same, but everything else is different. It has been confirmed several times that the engine in the GT350R is different than the GT350 due to the higher G loads the car could pull. The Magneride suspension tuning, ABS tuning, shocks/strut valving, and aero make them very different cars.
Man, the stripe delete cars look so damn good! Base 500, Silver, stripe delete, with Signature wheels will be my route!
There's no doubt that the price point of this car will force many fence sitters to stay on their side of the chain link. At best, you're talking about throwing down $75,000 for this car. What's remarkable is that it didn't seem like that long ago I was a 25 year old kid, walking out of Ford with my 500 after spending less than $50,000. Granted, it's a 12, the 13 specs had just dropped, and they were trying their best (X plan available) to get rid of them. However, you can barely walk out with a GT today for what I got my 500 for.
I understand the 2020 and a 2012 can't be compared beyond the name and snake badges. The 13/14 was a beast of a car, but had way more in common with the previous years and didn't quite Trump (my phone auto corrected the capital T... I'm leaving it ) its predecessors like this one has. But, we are 6 years down the road and only God knows how much R&D ($$$) went into this monster.
That all leads me to here: What about those of us in our 30's (or 40's) who live a modest lifestyle and our experiences with our cars are similar? I have 53,000 miles on my 2012 after taking delivery with 180 in April of 2012. She gets driven as much as possible, often sitting in 465 traffic and then taking the long way home to make a couple pulls on county roads.
Us guys love cars. We love the exhilaration of climbing into the RPM's and the sounds of exhaust and tire screech. We like to hit C&C from time to time to catch up with other car guys. If we're lucky, we take a long weekend road trip somewhere and rack up some miles. But mostly, it just takes us to the office and back home to the family.
However, we have mortgages, 529's, and 401k's. Could my wife and I afford it? Technically, Yes. However, it would be one of the most ill-advised financial decisions we could make. My belief is that the performance and subsequent price of this new car will leave "us" behind. And that's OK by me.
The 500 is now into Elite car ownership status. Kudos to Ford for that accomplishment. Just look at some of the names/brands that are coming up in the comparisons... Porsche, ZR1, ACR, Demon/RE, etc. These aren't all the same type of car. Ford has figured out a way to make the GT500 part of the conversation "trifecta": Strip, Track, Street. That comes with a cost and will leave many historical players of the game in the pits. Again, that's OK by me.
The 07-14 GT500's will be the next generation of "old Mustangs" that guys will be buying/selling/trading/modifying for years like our beloved 03/04 Cobra. They will always have "us" guys' backs for everyday fun. I hope we allow ourselves to enjoy those other guys we see out with their 2020+.
Tl;dr: Can't afford new 500. Convincing myself my 12 is still OK.
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Spoke to more than one Ford engineer on the matter. Internally the motor in the R and the GT350 are differentnot true, the motor is the same.
The transmission is the same.
the suspension is tuned different, due to the weight of the carbon fiber wheels.
Won’t happen. Jim Owens from Ford Performance said more than once that if you want a performance Mustang with a manual, the GT350 is your car. If you want the best performance Mustang of all time, the DCT equipped GT500 is the ticket.Would be nice to see that DCT end up in the 350.
I appreciate it. I've been struggling with the concept of what the 2020 is. At worst, it's a Mustang that most guys won't be able to financially swing. At best, it's a Ford playing in the field of, as I said above, some elite status type cars. That's pretty cool.This is one of the better posts I have seen on this sight in quite sometime.
When I just got out of college and was starting a job I was looking at a new GTO, but it was juuuuust out of my reach. I could have afforded it but it would have been a bad decision. Fast forward 12 years and I would love a new ZL1/GT500/Hellcat... making much more money now... but again with 2 kids and a mortgage, they are juuuuuust out of reach. In 7 years or so once my mortgage is paid off I will splurge on something really nice/cool, but until then I will just keep modding my Monte.
I’d say you have a nice consolation prize!Great write up. Price point is higher than I would spend, but I am glad to see Ford producing cars like this. Now if it were in the $60K range I might reconsider.
Guess I'll have to stick to my 1,000+ RWHP GT/CS.
I'm sure I'll see a few at SEMA this week.
Define high six figuresI love the new gt500. But I feel like the days of relatively inexpensive performance mustangs are long gone. 100k toys are for guys making high six figures.
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