Keep Paxton or go with Turbo

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Thanks that is one big turbo. Do you feel any lag at all with big turbo.

 

[61mmstang94]

Pictures are cool, but you're telling me that you have a setup that would struggle to make 300rwhp in n/a form, and on a mustang dyno with 91 octane fuel, you run 10psi and make 700rwhp? :lol:

 

[Roll Race Rob]

738 785 14psi

That's a dumb statement to make when you dont have specific turbos and superchargers your comparing. I know several big Procharger cars that are keeping up with and sometimes outrunning some big turbo cars. One isn't necessarily better than the other...they're just idfferent ways to reach the same goal. I love turbos, too....and I prefer them over superchargers by far, but there are some insane s/c setups.

i was comparing my turbo to that of a novi 2k, since that's what we're talking about on this subject, or even an f1a, or even a 2.6-2.8 twin screw. i thought it was a dumb statement to make that the dudes friend's car with motor work and a blower only mad xxx ponies so my TURBO car can't make that kind of power. of course there are blower's running fast, i didn't say thats impossible, just saying its a lot more work to do so. who's making the dumb statement?

They can make the power, but I will also tell you they're running much much much more than 10 psi.

i was pointing out your flawed claim of a LITTLE motor not making BIG power.

You will not make 1350rwhp with an s380. I don't care what wheel, etc. you want to put in it. That turbo will only flow so much air and it won't make 1350rwhp. at any amount of boost on a V8, and especially not anything close to that through an auto.

I'm running a 76gts which has gotten me basically into the 8s and I'm happy with it for now. In the future I will be going with something bigger like a GT47-88.

again, who's the one making the DUMB statement? wolverine's car made 740 rwhp and 780 rwtq on 14psi, on a 331. it's hard to compare a pushrod motor to a dohc motor but it still gives you an idea of how much air the turbo moves. he also made 1170 horse and 1180 torque on race gas. that is a DECENT gauge as to what kind of air the turbo moves, im sure the 331 pushrod was a bit once it got into the higher boost, and i THINK its safe to say another 100+ horse/torque is soable on a better flowing motor.
who's the one making the DUMB statement?
WHO said anything about an auto?
8's with a 74mm+ turbo and an auto isn't anything to brag about in the sense that it's basic and proven. its damn fast no doubt but your not doing anything special.

I bet your setup, n/a doesn't make over 300rwhp, and if it does it's not much more than that. That being said, you will not make an additional 400rwhp with a mere 10psi. I don't care what turbo you are running but if you're happy with it then that's all that matter, but don't make silly claims.

what do YOU THINK my car makes? i can't sleep knowing some turd out there doesn't believe me.
the numbers match up, full weight car, shitty/boggy 1/8th, 134mph is good for right around 650-700rwhp using simple math.
i guess math is silly now too, mebbeh not only was the dyno lying but also the track was lying. what about the 3-4 litre bike's i walked away from that trap 130+mph? mebbeh they were lying too...
what can i do so this internetz turd believes meh????oke:

 

[Roll Race Rob]

Thanks that is one big turbo. Do you feel any lag at all with big turbo.

of course there's lag haha. its not nearly as bad as i thought it would be though. its really just a down shift away,who races without downshifting though? or a two step/tune away, in the middle of working on this.

Pictures are cool, but you're telling me that you have a setup that would struggle to make 300rwhp in n/a form, and on a mustang dyno with 91 octane fuel, you run 10psi and make 700rwhp? :lol:

im unsure what it would make n/a, i didn't build it to run n/a, i built it to handle boost, and lots of it.
mebbeh you should get out of 1963 and realize that turbo's, especially NICE turbo's, make the power, regardless of engine size.
may as well throw some more fodder into the mix, my compression is 8.5:1, i bet your not going to be able to sleep tonight at all now:shrug:

 

[61mmstang94]

i was comparing my turbo to that of a novi 2k, since that's what we're talking about on this subject, or even an f1a, or even a 2.6-2.8 twin screw. i thought it was a dumb statement to make that the dudes friend's car with motor work and a blower only mad xxx ponies so my TURBO car can't make that kind of power. of course there are blower's running fast, i didn't say thats impossible, just saying its a lot more work to do so. who's making the dumb statement?


i was pointing out your flawed claim of a LITTLE motor not making BIG power.
I never once said a small engine can't make any power. Where are you gettin gthat from? The only thing I have said was that a smaller engine won't be making much on 91 octane and low boost and that's a fact. Now learn to read before you respond with more stupidity.


again, who's the one making the DUMB statement? wolverine's car made 740 rwhp and 780 rwtq on 14psi, on a 331. it's hard to compare a pushrod motor to a dohc motor but it still gives you an idea of how much air the turbo moves. he also made 1170 horse and 1180 torque on race gas. that is a DECENT gauge as to what kind of air the turbo moves, im sure the 331 pushrod was a bit once it got into the higher boost, and i THINK its safe to say another 100+ horse/torque is soable on a better flowing motor.
who's the one making the DUMB statement?
WHO said anything about an auto?
8's with a 74mm+ turbo and an auto isn't anything to brag about in the sense that it's basic and proven. its damn fast no doubt but your not doing anything special.
And that makes sense considering Wolverine's car has more cubic inches, hence why his car WILL make more power on less boost than you, further proving my point that your numbers are inflated. Especially when you consider you're still claiming to be doing this on 91 octane and remember, even if you decide to turn your boost up, your trans is going to shatter and with that 5-speed you won't be putting up much of any impressive numbers any time soon a the track. :lol:

what do YOU THINK my car makes? i can't sleep knowing some turd out there doesn't believe me.
the numbers match up, full weight car, shitty/boggy 1/8th, 134mph is good for right around 650-700rwhp using simple math.
i guess math is silly now too, mebbeh not only was the dyno lying but also the track was lying. what about the 3-4 litre bike's i walked away from that trap 130+mph? mebbeh they were lying too...
what can i do so this internetz turd believes meh????oke:
Enough with the personal attacks in this section. I pointed out that your numbers are inflated and there's no reason for you to have a hissy fit, little boy. And going 130+mph in the quarter is not impressive for what your car has done if it's really making the claimed 700+rwhp lol. You need a reality check.

It's okay that your numbers are inflated, no one really cared to begin with and like I said, if you are happy with the car, more power to you and enjoy it because it's irrelevant to me. :beer:

 

[Roll Race Rob]

I checked the website it does make good power. It's a rear mounted unit corrected you wouldn't have the picture by chance. I wonder how this turbo would compare to Turbonatic GTK1000.

i asked a friend about the gtk1000 as i wasn't familiar with the turbonetcis line.
the gtk is just a t76 in a small housing, nothing special.
the y2k and thumper turbo's that turbonetcis produce are really nice but are over $3000, the borg warner units are nice in that they are relatively cheap for the power they produce, unless your 61mmstang, then nothing makes power or is fast unless its his car. :loser:

 

[Roll Race Rob]

It's okay that your numbers are inflated, no one really cared to begin with and like I said, if you are happy with the car, more power to you and enjoy it because it's irrelevant to me. :beer:

arguing on the internet is stupid. you have a bad ass car. im sorry you think my numbers are inflated, but your welcome to your opinion, i know what my car does and will do and im happy with it.
thanks.

 

[61mmstang94]

you haven't pointed out anything other than you saying you don't believe me.
i proved the turbo i have can make the power, i proved, (with math), a full weight car trapping 134mph is good for 650-700rwhp, along with a shit 1/8th that should in all actuality be closer to 138mph or so.
little boy? haha.
i think i touched a nerve. i think 8's in an auto is bad ass, just saying its nothing new at all, don't go slitting your wrists, or drinking yourself into oblivion over some stranger arguing with you over the internet.

Oh, okay. :-D

 

[97desertCobra]

fan of more power with less boost? how bout 700rwhp on 10psi of boost?
this is why i say go turbo. :banana:


i have 8.5:1 compression, stock b heads and stock intake and make 690rwhp on 10psi. should be tuning on 20-25psi soon.
i loved my novi 2k once it was dialed in but honestly, turbo>supercharger in every aspect, if you can sell the novi2k, dont blow your money on more motor work and go with a quality turbo. :coolman:

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Thats the most powerfull Ford DOHC 4.6 I have ever heard of then. For you to make 700rwhp with 10# with the stock B heads and intake is a ridiculous claim. The 03 Cobra's with their far better flowing C heads cannot even come close to 700rwhp with a turbo at 10#. I would have a hard time believing even 550+rwhp @ 10# with stock B heads and intake. And I dont care if this turbo of yours was built by Jesus and flows 1000000000000cfm, I dont see this being at all possible.

 

[THAITED]

I don't know much about turbo but this is the first time I've heard a built s/b engine with cams and stock 4v heads makes that much HP.

 

[LS1PUSSOUT]

he may be making those numbers. It might not be exactly 9.99 or 10psi though. Thats only a measurement of restriction. The turbo cars dont have as much restriction. My car made numbers in my sig on 10.9psi stock everything with a little hand port on the heads and the power dropping off at 5000rpm

 

[harvboi05]

:bs::bs::bs:

Thats the most powerfull Ford DOHC 4.6 I have ever heard of then. For you to make 700rwhp with 10# with the stock B heads and intake is a ridiculous claim. The 03 Cobra's with their far better flowing C heads cannot even come close to 700rwhp with a turbo at 10#. I would have a hard time believing even 550+rwhp @ 10# with stock B heads and intake. And I dont care if this turbo of yours was built by Jesus and flows 1000000000000cfm, I dont see this being at all possible.

03 cobra heads are rated at 233/169 cfm I/E @.500 lift.

C heads are rated at 225/145 I/E @.500 lift.

B heads are rated at 231/146 I/E @.500 lift.

just wanted to clarify.

Novi 2ks are rated at 1400cfm.

what are 76gts, and other comparable sized turbos rated at?

 

[97desertCobra]

03 cobra heads are rated at 233/169 cfm I/E @.500 lift.

C heads are rated at 225/145 I/E @.500 lift.

B heads are rated at 231/146 I/E @.500 lift.

just wanted to clarify.

Novi 2ks are rated at 1400cfm.

what are 76gts, and other comparable sized turbos rated at?

No that is not correct. The 03-04 C heads, that belong to the 03-04 Mach 1 and 03-04 Cobra flow 233 cfm on the intake side and 168 cfm on the exhaust side at .500 of lift. In case you didnt know the 03-04 heads are reffered to as C heads, just like the 99-01 heads. But notice how I specified that it was 03 C heads I was taking about?

And I was not comparing the flow rate of the Novi to a turbo.

 

[harvboi05]

No that is not correct. The 03-04 C heads, that belong to the 03-04 Mach 1 and 03-04 Cobra flow 233 cfm on the intake side and 168 cfm on the exhaust side at .500 of lift. In case you didnt know the 03-04 heads are reffered to as C heads, just like the 99-01 heads. But notice how I specified that it was 03 C heads I was taking about?

And I was not comparing the flow rate of the Novi to a turbo.

i pulled that information verbatim from the hyland book, i dont know how its not correct unless he lied about it.

the numbers i listed are labeled as "03 cobra heads" notice the typo in the chart titles.

how did i post the wrong info?

i know you werent comparing the novi and X turbo, but i am. thats why i asked how much those similarly sized turbos flow.

edit: android phones and uploading pics straight to picasa = awesome.

 

[61mmstang94]

he may be making those numbers. It might not be exactly 9.99 or 10psi though. Thats only a measurement of restriction. The turbo cars dont have as much restriction. My car made numbers in my sig on 10.9psi stock everything with a little hand port on the heads and the power dropping off at 5000rpm

...coming from the guy who tried to claim a stock Mustang GT with only suspension can do wheelies............ :sleeping:

 

[Roll Race Rob]

:bs::bs::bs:

Thats the most powerfull Ford DOHC 4.6 I have ever heard of then. For you to make 700rwhp with 10# with the stock B heads and intake is a ridiculous claim. The 03 Cobra's with their far better flowing C heads cannot even come close to 700rwhp with a turbo at 10#. I would have a hard time believing even 550+rwhp @ 10# with stock B heads and intake. And I dont care if this turbo of yours was built by Jesus and flows 1000000000000cfm, I dont see this being at all possible.

the motor itself isnt a power house, the turbo is. the turbo makes the power. there are 4cylinder motors that wouldnt break 200 horse that are making 1000 horse with turbo's, just because a motor only makes so much doesnt mean the turbo is only allowed to make so much power on top of that, thats not how it works. again, the turbo makes the power. i guess i trap 134mph in shitty air and shitty 1/8 and only make 500 horse, i must be one hell of a driver, minus the shitty 1/8. the b heads arent shitty at all for a turbo application, there's cars in the 6's with b heads. 6's in the 1/4 are shitty too, i forget.

he may be making those numbers. It might not be exactly 9.99 or 10psi though. Thats only a measurement of restriction. The turbo cars dont have as much restriction. My car made numbers in my sig on 10.9psi stock everything with a little hand port on the heads and the power dropping off at 5000rpm

someboyd that understands the concept of turbo's cramming air into a motor regardless of engine size?

...coming from the guy who tried to claim a stock Mustang GT with only suspension can do wheelies............ :sleeping:

i know for a FACT there are 280-300 horse na cars pulling the wheels off the ground. if you dont care how come you continue to debate?

 

[61mmstang94]

the motor itself isnt a power house, the turbo is. the turbo makes the power. there are 4cylinder motors that wouldnt break 200 horse that are making 1000 horse with turbo's, just because a motor only makes so much doesnt mean the turbo is only allowed to make so much power on top of that, thats not how it works. again, the turbo makes the power. i guess i trap 134mph in shitty air and shitty 1/8 and only make 500 horse, i must be one hell of a driver, minus the shitty 1/8. the b heads arent shitty at all for a turbo application, there's cars in the 6's with b heads. 6's in the 1/4 are shitty too, i forget.

You need to get a clue. You keep mentioning 4-cylinder cars making 1,000hp, so yours must be able to make 700 on 10psi? WHat's the correlation??????? Those little 4-cylinders making 1000hp are pushing like 40+psi to make those numbers on race gas. The point is that a certain amount of boost, regardless of your turbo will only be able to make so much on an e ngine that can't even produce 300rwhp n/a. You will not pick up over 400rwhp on just 10 psi with 91 octane on a Mustang Dyno that you claim reads conservative. You can make up excuses about air quality, this and that but I don't care. I also never said anything about your heads being bad, but it's going to take MORE BOOST to make 700+rwhp on your setup than 10psi.


someboyd that understands the concept of turbo's cramming air into a motor regardless of engine size?
No, he's just another one who likes to exaggerate the performance of his car lol. You two will be good friends.


i know for a FACT there are 280-300 horse na cars pulling the wheels off the ground. if you dont care how come you continue to debate?
Maybe so, but they're completely setup from front to back and light as hell.....a bone stock GT won't dyno that much and won't do a wheelie with just rear suspension and sticky tires. But just like your 400+rwhp increase on about 10psi with 91 octane......I'm sure you'll try to explain to me that you can do that as well.

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[Roll Race Rob]

:Quote:
Originally Posted by xtoodlesx
the motor itself isnt a power house, the turbo is. the turbo makes the power. there are 4cylinder motors that wouldnt break 200 horse that are making 1000 horse with turbo's, just because a motor only makes so much doesnt mean the turbo is only allowed to make so much power on top of that, thats not how it works. again, the turbo makes the power. i guess i trap 134mph in shitty air and shitty 1/8 and only make 500 horse, i must be one hell of a driver, minus the shitty 1/8. the b heads arent shitty at all for a turbo application, there's cars in the 6's with b heads. 6's in the 1/4 are shitty too, i forget.

You need to get a clue. You keep mentioning 4-cylinder cars making 1,000hp, so yours must be able to make 700 on 10psi? WHat's the correlation??????? Those little 4-cylinders making 1000hp are pushing like 40+psi to make those numbers on race gas. The point is that a certain amount of boost, regardless of your turbo will only be able to make so much on an e ngine that can't even produce 300rwhp n/a. You will not pick up over 400rwhp on just 10 psi with 91 octane on a Mustang Dyno that you claim reads conservative. You can make up excuses about air quality, this and that but I don't care. I also never said anything about your heads being bad, but it's going to take MORE BOOST to make 700+rwhp on your setup than 10psi.



i know for a FACT there are 280-300 horse na cars pulling the wheels off the ground. if you dont care how come you continue to debate?
Maybe so, but a bone stock GT won't dyno that much and won't do a wheelie with just rear suspension and sticky tires.
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boost is a measurement of restriction. a 4 cylinder seeing 40psi can be similiar CFM to that of a v8 at 20psi given that a 4 cylinder is going to be more contrictive, and the v8 flows more air.
modular motors, and b headed cars, love boost.
my comment on the heads wasn't for you, it was for the other guy claiming his c heads were leaps and bounds superior.
ive run plenty of kb 2.6-2.8 running 20pis to my 10psi and guess what, i pull away from them, but your right, they are running more boost, with a better motor, i must be lying. im sorry you feel insulted or threatened by the numbers my car makes, its obvious this is so in that you continue to argue even though you 'don't care.' :rolling:
a bone stock 3v GT makes 280-300 horse last time i checked?
shitty b headed na cobras make 280-300 horse, and with JUST suspension mods and sticky tires pull the wheels off the ground, let me guess, the cameras must be lying too huh?:shrug:

 

[61mmstang94]

boost is a measurement of restriction. a 4 cylinder seeing 40psi can be similiar CFM to that of a v8 at 20psi given that a 4 cylinder is going to be more contrictive, and the v8 flows more air.
modular motors, and b headed cars, love boost.
Take a look at 03-04 cobras running 10psi on a turbo setup or any other 4.6 with even ported heads running that little amount of boost. They enjoy boost just as much as your basic setup and don't make 700rwhp because the fact is that it flat out takes more than 10psi to really start making some good power on something that doesn't make much in n/a form. Now if you had something, like a larger cube setup that made decent power n/a, then I'd believe claims about 700rwhp on such low boost and pump gas, but you don't.

my comment on the heads wasn't for you, it was for the other guy claiming his c heads were leaps and bounds superior.
ive run plenty of kb 2.6-2.8 running 20pis to my 10psi and guess what, i pull away from them, but your right, they are running more boost, with a better motor, i must be lying. im sorry you feel insulted or threatened by the numbers my car makes, its obvious this is so in that you continue to argue even though you 'don't care.' :rolling:
I'm not insulted by the numbers your car makes because regardless of what numbers you want to talk about, my track numbers are far superior to yours with a much smaller turbo and I don't have to exaggerate numbers from the dyno to feel good about it.


a bone stock 3v GT makes 280-300 horse last time i checked?
shitty b headed na cobras make 280-300 horse, and with JUST suspension mods and sticky tires pull the wheels off the ground, let me guess, the cameras must be lying too huh?:shrug:
We're talking 2v, 99-04 GTs, bud! :thumbsup:

You're cool, guy. Your car makes more power and beats everything if it makes ya feel good. :fart:

 

[Roll Race Rob]

Originally Posted by xtoodlesx
boost is a measurement of restriction. a 4 cylinder seeing 40psi can be similiar CFM to that of a v8 at 20psi given that a 4 cylinder is going to be more contrictive, and the v8 flows more air.
modular motors, and b headed cars, love boost.
Take a look at 03-04 cobras running 10psi on a turbo setup or any other 4.6 with even ported heads running that little amount of boost. They enjoy boost just as much as your basic setup and don't make 700rwhp because the fact is that it flat out takes more than 10psi to really start making some good power on something that doesn't make much in n/a form. Now if you had something, like a larger cube setup that made decent power n/a, then I'd believe claims about 700rwhp on such low boost and pump gas, but you don't.

my comment on the heads wasn't for you, it was for the other guy claiming his c heads were leaps and bounds superior.
ive run plenty of kb 2.6-2.8 running 20pis to my 10psi and guess what, i pull away from them, but your right, they are running more boost, with a better motor, i must be lying. im sorry you feel insulted or threatened by the numbers my car makes, its obvious this is so in that you continue to argue even though you 'don't care.'
I'm not insulted by the numbers your car makes because regardless of what numbers you want to talk about, my track numbers are far superior to yours with a much smaller turbo and I don't have to exaggerate numbers from the dyno to feel good about it.

a bone stock 3v GT makes 280-300 horse last time i checked?
shitty b headed na cobras make 280-300 horse, and with JUST suspension mods and sticky tires pull the wheels off the ground, let me guess, the cameras must be lying too huh?
We're talking 2v, 99-04 GTs, bud!
You're cool, guy. Your car makes more power and beats everything if it makes ya feel good. :fart:

10psi on a tiny turbo is not the same as 10psi on a large turbo. your comments speak volume's for your knowledge of how things work.
with the proper turbo set up, the turbo makes the power, again, look at much smaller motors making gobs of power, in na form they dont make much but under boost they really shine.
your numbers are far superior 99% of the reason it being an auto, which is great, that was your choice to build it for that, i have my reasoning for keeping it a stick car. i guarantee if you and i were to run boost for boost id make more power than you, but you'd beat me down the track in the 1/4 being you have the auto and it uses the power curve better. your superiority in the 1/4 mile means nothing to me as beleive me, if i wanted it, i'd be there and be doing it better than you. after this weekend im strongly considering an auto, and competing in the psca, id upgrade to a 91mm from my 80mm and go with an auto, would be looking at low 8's high 7's at over 180mph...
you should have clarified what year gt as obviously 240rwhp isnt 300 rwhp, but you can pull the wheels off the ground with the right tire and suspension with 300 horse. :beer: