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Thats what I hear. The stocker uses less fluid than a lot of the aftermarkets so the KC will be more effective since its moving less fluid.It works off your AC system.
I can't speak from my own experience on the KC but I've heard good stuff about it I'm sure someone with one can chime in.

The only reason it is recommended to go back to the stock heat exchanger is because the heat exchangers actually heat up the fluid. My killer chiller will get my intercooler temps as cold as 44 degrees sitting still, but when my car is moving the outside air across my heat exchange heats it up to about 54 degrees.

The optimal setup for long high speed passes would be a 7 gallon intercooler tank in the trunk with the Killer Chiller. The more fluid you have in the system the longer it takes for it to heat back up. Then again the more fluid you will have the longer it will take to cool down. Now on long high speed passes I would opt to keep the heat exchanger to help with some of the cooling as I am sure that I really high speeds you will be generating a lot of heat and you will need the heat exchanger to help cool the fluids down.

And yes I have a Killer Chiller. Works awesome.
 

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You would "flame" a guy for referring to his car as a "Term"? I got a bit if crap on another post I started for calling my car "Termi" lol! I paid 25k for my car I will call it whatever I want. Doesnt make me a troll or a trouble maker. Sheeesh. Sorry not trying to be a richard just thinking outloud while typing. Sorry.:bored:
 

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TRD1 don't let silly sh*t like that get under your skin. You call your termi what ever you want to call it. Also I too have been in love with the terminator since its induction in 2003. My coworkers who know very little about sports cars were wondering why I would spend $21,900 on a 5 year old mustang with 18,000 miles. Little did they know it was the beast i was waiting for. Be proud brother!!! :rockon:
 

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I abbreviated 'cause I'm lazy.
Little eager to please are we homer?
Silverboost thanks for the answer. You have stock H.E W/the K.C.?
 

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No, it was a joke. I was attempting to make fun of the goons on here who actually do flame someone for saying that.
Obviously, I failed miserably:loser:
 

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I abbreviated 'cause I'm lazy.
Little eager to please are we homer?
Silverboost thanks for the answer. You have stock H.E W/the K.C.?

Yes I am still on the stock heat exchanger. I plan on doing a larger reservoir tank in the trunk and possibly removing the heat exchanger all together.
 

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You are partly right, but the reason that guys burn up pistions on high speed runs is POOR TUNING! Specifically, high EGTs are the cause of these types of failures. The car's coolant temperature does not climb to high levels on a high speed run. The car does not overheat on a high speed run. Yes, the coolant system on the car is not great, but it does its job.

The tight PTW clearances in the engine do not allow much margin for error from a tuning perspective. Overly agressive timing and a high AFR causes EGTs to climb in high speed/high load conditions. The cooling system is not effective enough to cool the cylingers (most street cars aren't), so EGTs continue to rise and you in turn burn up a pistion. Generally #7 goes first because that is the hottest part of the block.

Engines do not over heat and burn up pistions. Pistons get burnt up from high EGTs. Cobras can run MBT (maximum timing advance) on pump gas, and most tuners just crank the timing all the way up and set AFR at 12:1. That is a recipe for disaster. Sure the car runs fine on the dyno, but when you get it out on the street and really hammer it, EGTs are too high, and you have these kinds of failures we see at high speed.

My car hits 140 MPH lap after lap on the roadcourse at 215+ coolant temps. I have no headcooling mod but run a conservative tune. I can do high speed runs all day.

I also monitor EGT, AFR, knock and water temp.

+1

It is all in the tune! On a hot day (32c +) I can only run a 3.400 upper, 18 deg timing and atleast 11.7 af to keep things stable.
 
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When I picked up my 03 in detroit I drove it for 8 hours and I followed a jaguar at over 100 mph through most of Ohio ;) back to NJ! Just don't keep in boost for a long run or things get hot and melt!
 

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Homer.. sorry if I sounded pissy. You are right I took you the wrong way. Had a bad day yesterday. I am very eager to learn about these cars. So I really hope I dont bug too many people with all my questions lol. I see I didnt get as good as deal as I thought BLACKBEAUTY44. Wow. You gat a good deal with that many miles!
 

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did you know that ford put the 2003 cobra threw there standards and durrabillity test with over 200 hours at max load cycling between max tq and hp that means it was at the most load it will ever be on the car. Then they put like -20 degree coolant through it then imeditly following like 260 degree coolant call ford and ask the tech dept they will tell you the same thing I am telling you
 

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what about a stock terminator Can i run the crap out of it in 5th gear and if not. I am going back to my procharged lt1 15 psi 5th gear all day at 182. Who said you can have an interference fit on a pistons must be out of there mind that spec is given a range not saying - lol

im curious about this as well....is it okay to do top speed pulls if you still have the stock pulley and tune, but other mods? ie: intake, exhaust, etc.

not trying to hijack the thread, just i might as well ask here instead of starting a whole new thread about the same thing.
 

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im curious about this as well....is it okay to do top speed pulls if you still have the stock pulley and tune, but other mods? ie: intake, exhaust, etc.

not trying to hijack the thread, just i might as well ask here instead of starting a whole new thread about the same thing.

You are not safe. In fact, you are probably in more danger because you have a stock tune with significant mods. On this car, an intake and exhaust are a big deal, in terms of tune, and it's possible you are already lean. With a K&N FIPK, MRT catted H, and a Flowmaster cat-back, my a/f ratio was 12ish:1 on the stock tune.

I've seen some claims about people blowing the motor on a completely stock Terminator with "high speed runs," as well.
 

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You are not safe. In fact, you are probably in more danger because you have a stock tune with significant mods. On this car, an intake and exhaust are a big deal, in terms of tune, and it's possible you are already lean. With a K&N FIPK, MRT catted H, and a Flowmaster cat-back, my a/f ratio was 12ish:1 on the stock tune.

I've seen some claims about people blowing the motor on a completely stock Terminator with "high speed runs," as well.


haha....damn....not the answer i was wantin to hear. eh well. thank you
 

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Guys any coolant cooling mods are simpley band-aids. The problem on the stock motors is the tight PTW clearance. The stock terminator motor has .001 PTW clearance, the reason they did this was to reduce piston slap on cold startups. Generally the rule of thumb for a PTW clearance on a motor is for ever 1" of bore have about .001 PTW clearance, so roughly the cobra should have .003-.004 PTW. That is the problem and until you build the motor and fix the PTW your not going to be able to do consitant 5th 6th gear pulls. The cooling mods may indeed help but they are not the fix.
 

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maybe this will put an end to this issue just got off phone with a dyno operator at "ford performance group". call 18003673788 push 2 tell them you have a 03 or 04 and where curious about the durribility of your engine the guy i talked to transfered me to the dyno opertor that was part of the dynoing on the 03-04 cobras he told me don't go and hold it open all day but blast up to the topend are completly fine even in modified form as long as the car is tuned right he also told me the piston to cylinder wall clearence was slightly more then .001 and told me the coating on the pistons take up .0005 and something about above the rings because of this issue. From what he told me the test they were running just to verify power in the dyno run he was in was more then anything i would probley ever subject my car to and the first run he ever pulled with these engines was 434hp he said they would purposly get the intercooler hot running it before sae test to down power to 390 call and verify for yourself he did say these engines were not designed to be run in long road races but it would be fine to top out for a few miles. I think it is interesting just about the hp thing. At the other plant they would have done the standard durrablity test which they try and make them blow up.
 

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