04 cobra vs a heavily modded ws6

[Common]

The most RETARTED comment in the entire thread. :bash:oke:

Ok. If I was to call someone a name, I would make sure to try and spell it correctly.

Another thing, go and ask on a few vette forums, if money wasnt an object, which would they own?:lol:

Even the ultra rare viper owners prefer the fgt more often than not.

 

[TNTramair]

Ok. If I was to call someone a name, I would make sure to try and spell it correctly.

Another thing, go and ask on a few vette forums, if money wasnt an object, which would they own?:lol:

Even the ultra rare viper owners prefer the fgt more often than not.

no shit sherlock. anyone with half a brain would take the GT over a Vette...it wouldnt be a hard choice. but if you give them more choices...im willing to bet they would choose other over a GT aswell.

 

[S8ER01Z]

no shit sherlock. anyone with half a brain would take the GT over a Vette...it wouldnt be a hard choice. but if you give them more choices...im willing to bet they would choose other over a GT aswell.

really depends on WHY you are picking one of them...if I wanted a daily driver (rain, snow, shine) it wouldn't be such an 'easy' choice.

 

[ChiSVT]

really depends on WHY you are picking one of them...if I wanted a daily driver (rain, snow, shine) it wouldn't be such an 'easy' choice.

+1

The FGT is an exotic, Corvettes are not. As with all exotics FGTs have terrible visibility compared to a Vette, and you have to be mindful of where you park because the doors need a lot more clearance to open than a Vette. Also, the FGT doesn't come with traction control, or a DVD navigation system. It's purely a drivers car, it sounds, looks and performs amazing. The Corvette is much more civilized but doesn't have the same driving experience or exotic styling.

Like I said, this can go on forever, everyone is going to have their own personal opinion!

 

[black Robra]

HAHAHAH! I love that when people talk shit. It was great when O3-04 first hit the streets so many dumbass had no idea what they where getting there selfs into. I had so many kills it wasn't even funny. AHHH the good old days! Im not saying there over either.

 

[PilledV8s]

no shit sherlock. anyone with half a brain would take the GT over a Vette...it wouldnt be a hard choice. but if you give them more choices...im willing to bet they would choose other over a GT aswell.

I'd pick a C6 ZR1 and a C6Z over a Ford GT

 

[Common]

I'd pick a C6 ZR1 and a C6Z over a Ford GT

:lol: as would any clueless moron.

When you get at a certain level of money, bang for buck is really not your concern douche.

When you own an fgt, your hand wont get tired waving at another 14 fgt's you might run into that day. :lol:

 

[RedRocketMike]

I was waiting for someone to say that. By looking at your car i see you're not really into performance LOL :beer:

My sig shows my lack of disposable income lol. But are you kidding me, for a college guy this car performs amazingly. This past weekend I was at a party and met a hot girl, the next morning we went up the street to get breakfast and when we got up to my car she went crazy about it. "Oh my god you drive a red mustang?!" "You didn't tell me that, I love mustangs, the Cobra's the fast one right?" blah blah blah Either way she put her number in my phone so we can go out for a real ride sometime. That's performance man.

 

[Jroc]

I personally think the front of a GT is very ugly.

But seriously you shouldn't underestimate a LS powered car. Fbodies are fast cars when modded. Even stock their not slow.

Good kill.

Street: Trans am < Cobra
Track: Trans am > Cobra

I can see this. I don't go to the track, but on the street from a dig a Fbody is just a much better car than a Foxbody based Mustang at launching. Atleast when stock. A Fbody is a pretty nice, straight launching car even if it does have a POS called a rearend. Mustangs are tail happy, and their right rear likes to lean, and squat. SFC's do much to help this, but if you start adding alot of power it just enhances the problem. Don't get me wrong you can mod a Mustang to launch as good as anything else out there, but anywhere near stock they do have a tendency to do that. The new Mustangs don't have this problem, and lauch very good when stock. A IRS isn't as good at lauching as a straight axle, and a Terminator is one of the hardest to launch Muscle cars I've ever driven, but the IRS does much to help the uneven squating IMO.

And for all the C6Z fans who think that they own a FGT at everything at half the price, try running with one up to around 200 MPH with both cars stock. I have no experiance with either, but from my understanding when a ZO6 hits 5th it starts to greatly slow down its acceleration, whereas a FGT keeps pulling hard. I don't want to be a hater here because a C6Z is a badass car, and at certain speeds it probably will pull away from a FGT, but I have seen C6Z owners on other threads say that its been proven that a C6Z will out perform a FGT in all catagories, and I say thats BS.

Good kill to the OP BTW!

 

[S8ER01Z]

But seriously you shouldn't underestimate a LS powered car. Fbodies are fast cars when modded. Even stock their not slow.

BS...Motortrend couldn't even get an LS1 powered F-Body out of the 14s for like 2 years after they came out.... TURDS!

And for all the C6Z fans who think that they own a FGT at everything at half the price, try running with one up to around 200 MPH with both cars stock. I have no experiance with either, but from my understanding when a ZO6 hits 5th it starts to greatly slow down its acceleration, whereas a FGT keeps pulling hard. I don't want to be a hater here because a C6Z is a badass car, and at certain speeds it probably will pull away from a FGT, but I have seen C6Z owners on other threads say that its been proven that a C6Z will out perform a FGT in all catagories, and I say thats BS.

You are correct...the Z06 got 'fuel efficient' 5th/6th gears while the FGT is just a beast (if your paying gas guzzler tax why bother trying to get good gas mileage)...

 

[ChiSVT]

BS...Motortrend couldn't even get an LS1 powered F-Body out of the 14s for like 2 years after they came out.... TURDS!



You are correct...the Z06 got 'fuel efficient' 5th/6th gears while the FGT is just a beast (if your paying gas guzzler tax why bother trying to get good gas mileage)...

The FGT actually uses a TR6060 which is the same transmission used in 2008+ Corvettes. It too uses 5th and 6th as overdrive gears, however you're also right as the 6th gear especially is more aggressive in the GT. The difference in fuel economy is mostly due to the Z06 motor being A LOT more efficient and the car it self is a good 300lbs lighter. The GT using a DOHC motor with a blower doesn't help much in the fuel economy department.

I personally think they should have geared the GT more aggressively. How many people actually go 200mph+ in their GTs anyways. :shrug: It could've possibly been a solid 10 second car, especially since the stock clutch is very forgiving and the car hooks hard with all that weight over the rear tires.

FGT
1 - 2.61
2 - 1.71
3 - 1.23
4 - 0.94
5 - 0.77
6 - 0.63

Final Drive Ratio 3.36:1

C6 Z06
First gear 2.66
Second gear 1.78
Third gear 1.30
Fourth gear 1.00
Fifth gear 0.74
Sixth gear 0.50
Final drive ratio 3.42

Car and Driver recently did a 200mph shoot-out with modified versions of a few cars.

2006 Lingenfelter Z06 Twin Turbo,
Cost with mods $288,540, (fully built motor including ported heads and a mild cam, twin disk clutch, upgraded brakes, the whole deal)
Driver screwed up one run and the last run the Z06 was making unhealthy noises so they didnt do any other runs the first time around.
C&D let them come back 4 weeks later and in 15 degrees cooler weather;
0-200MPH = 18.9 SEC
1/4mi = 11.3 SEC @ 147MPH
Stop = 1089ft
0-200MPH-0 = 27.0 SEC

2006 Heffner FORD GT1000TT
Cost with mods $212,645, completely stock unopened motor, (stock heads/cams), STOCK clutch, stock brakes, stock transaxle.
0-200MPH = 18.9 SEC
1/4mi = 10.6 SEC @ 152MPH
Stop = 1089ft
0-200MPH-0 = 26.5 SEC

2006 Hennessey Venom 1000 TWIN TURBO
Cost with mods $190,445
0-200MPH = 22.0 SEC
1/4mi = 11.1 @ 145MPH
Stop = 1127ft
0-200MPH-0 = 30.7 SEC

2005 Saleen S7 Twin Turbo
Cost $598,950 (No mods stock car)
0-200MPH = 38.2 sec,
1/4mi 11.6 @ 138MPH
Stop 1147 ft
0-200MPH-0 = 49.6 SEC

2007 Heffner Lamborghini
Cost with mods $239,400
0-200MPH = 25.7 sec
1/4mi 11.3 @ 137MPH
Stop 1770ft
0-200MPH-0 = 37.6 SEC

 

[PilledV8s]

:lol: as would any clueless moron.

When you get at a certain level of money, bang for buck is really not your concern douche.

When you own an fgt, your hand wont get tired waving at another 14 fgt's you might run into that day. :lol:

 

[geeteego]

HAHAHAH! I love that when people talk shit. It was great when O3-04 first hit the streets so many dumbass had no idea what they where getting there selfs into. I had so many kills it wasn't even funny. AHHH the good old days! Im not saying there over either.

I still get that.

 

[PilledV8s]

But seriously you shouldn't underestimate a LS powered car. Fbodies are fast cars when modded. Even stock their not slow.



I can see this. I don't go to the track, but on the street from a dig a Fbody is just a much better car than a Foxbody based Mustang at launching. Atleast when stock. A Fbody is a pretty nice, straight launching car even if it does have a POS called a rearend. Mustangs are tail happy, and their right rear likes to lean, and squat. SFC's do much to help this, but if you start adding alot of power it just enhances the problem. Don't get me wrong you can mod a Mustang to launch as good as anything else out there, but anywhere near stock they do have a tendency to do that. The new Mustangs don't have this problem, and lauch very good when stock. A IRS isn't as good at lauching as a straight axle, and a Terminator is one of the hardest to launch Muscle cars I've ever driven, but the IRS does much to help the uneven squating IMO.

And for all the C6Z fans who think that they own a FGT at everything at half the price, try running with one up to around 200 MPH with both cars stock. I have no experiance with either, but from my understanding when a ZO6 hits 5th it starts to greatly slow down its acceleration, whereas a FGT keeps pulling hard. I don't want to be a hater here because a C6Z is a badass car, and at certain speeds it probably will pull away from a FGT, but I have seen C6Z owners on other threads say that its been proven that a C6Z will out perform a FGT in all catagories, and I say thats BS.
Good kill to the OP BTW!

The C6Z beats the FGT in braking (70-0): C6Z - 144ft FGT: 173ft
The C6Z beats the FGT on the skid pad: C6Z - 1.01g FGT: 0.94g
The FGT beats the C6Z around the track: C6Z - 1:32.7 FGT: 1:32.5
The FGT beats the C6Z in top speed: C6Z - 198mph FGT: 205mph
The FGT beats the C6Z in 0-150mph: C6Z - 17.5 sec FGT: 16.9 sec
1/4 mile it's a drivers race. Several Magzaines have the Z beating the FGT and vice versa with the traps being within 1mph of one another and the ET being within 2 tenths within one another.
The C6Z beats the FGT IN 0-60mph: C6Z - 3.5 sec FGT: 3.6sec
Area's of convenice, the C6 Z06 gets 16 city 26 highway +1 vette. The C6 Z06 has more cargo room then even the Ford fivehundred +1 vette. You can get things like a 6 disc CD changer, Nav, and all of the creature comforts you can want +1 vette.

I don't believe either that the C6Z has the FGT beat in all categories. So I agree with you on that. The Z does falls on it's face once it hits 5th gear. That's because 5th and 6th are overdrive gears and to 200mph, the FGT is 5 seconds faster.

Not bad considering how close our NA cars are compared to the FGT's forced inducted setup.

 

[ChiSVT]

The C6Z beats the FGT in braking (70-0): C6Z - 144ft FGT: 173ft
The C6Z beats the FGT on the skid pad: C6Z - 1.01g FGT: 0.94g
The FGT beats the C6Z around the track: C6Z - 1:32.7 FGT: 1:32.5
The FGT beats the C6Z in top speed: C6Z - 198mph FGT: 205mph
The FGT beats the C6Z in 0-150mph: C6Z - 17.5 sec FGT: 16.9 sec
1/4 mile it's a drivers race. Several Magzaines have the Z beating the FGT and vice versa with the traps being within 1mph of one another and the ET being within 2 tenths within one another.
The C6Z beats the FGT IN 0-60mph: C6Z - 3.5 sec FGT: 3.6sec
Area's of convenice, the C6 Z06 gets 16 city 26 highway +1 vette. The C6 Z06 has more cargo room then even the Ford fivehundred +1 vette. You can get things like a 6 disc CD changer, Nav, and all of the creature comforts you can want +1 vette.

I don't believe either that the C6Z has the FGT beat in all categories. So I agree with you on that. The Z does falls on it's face once it hits 5th gear. That's because 5th and 6th are overdrive gears and to 200mph, the FGT is 5 seconds faster.

Not bad considering how close our NA cars are compared to the FGT's forced inducted setup.

Looks like you compared the top results from a Z06 to the worst #s produced from a FGT..Especially the skidpad..:lol1:

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/coupes/0511_z06_gt_viper/stats.html

As far as the N/A vs forced induction arguement, COME ON!! :nonono: I guess it's not bad since the GT is only a 5.4L. I guess it's not bad that the new ACR Viper will be pretty damn close to a ZR-1 compared to it's forced induction setup. The GT could easily be 300lbs lighter with a big N/A motor, but what's the use in arguing that? It came with a badass motor/drivetrain that was built to handle 1000rwhp from the factory..:rockon: As shown above it performs on the same level with a stock motor, and stock clutch, (STOCK DRIVEABILITY) as a FULLY built C6 Z06 with $200K+ invested into it.

Creature comforts and gas mileage, haha yeah the Corvette wins by a long shot. If I could afford a Ford GT those would be the last two things on my mind though. :burnout:

You also, left out quality of materials. You get what you pay for, the FGT has a full brushed aluminum / leather interior. No creaking plastic after 20K miles.

Look at the door sills, console, gauges, switches, etc. ALL of it is solid brushed aluminum.

Now look at the Z06, it's 99.9% painted PLASTIC! The only think that is aluminum is the top of the shit knob. I guess that's "+1 for the GT".

Creature comforts and driveability are a +, but absolutely NO insulation and heat from the console aren't. Here is the amount of insulation GM used in the C6Z

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=2007202&highlight=insulation

 

[bsmith782]

You must be one of those guy's that believe that W's IQ is over 130 too.

The C6Z beats the FGT in braking (70-0): C6Z - 144ft FGT: 173ft
The C6Z beats the FGT on the skid pad: C6Z - 1.01g FGT: 0.94g
The FGT beats the C6Z around the track: C6Z - 1:32.7 FGT: 1:32.5
The FGT beats the C6Z in top speed: C6Z - 198mph FGT: 205mph
The FGT beats the C6Z in 0-150mph: C6Z - 17.5 sec FGT: 16.9 sec
1/4 mile it's a drivers race. Several Magzaines have the Z beating the FGT and vice versa with the traps being within 1mph of one another and the ET being within 2 tenths within one another.
The C6Z beats the FGT IN 0-60mph: C6Z - 3.5 sec FGT: 3.6sec
Area's of convenice, the C6 Z06 gets 16 city 26 highway +1 vette. The C6 Z06 has more cargo room then even the Ford fivehundred +1 vette. You can get things like a 6 disc CD changer, Nav, and all of the creature comforts you can want +1 vette.

I don't believe either that the C6Z has the FGT beat in all categories. So I agree with you on that. The Z does falls on it's face once it hits 5th gear. That's because 5th and 6th are overdrive gears and to 200mph, the FGT is 5 seconds faster.

Not bad considering how close our NA cars are compared to the FGT's forced inducted setup.

 

[PilledV8s]

The C6Z outgrips and outbrakes the FGT. Show me a set of statistics thats proves otherwise in both departments.

The Viper ACR is a car specially built for THE TRACK. Comparing an ACR to a ZR1 is comparing apples to oranges - 2 cars with 2 different purposes. 1/4 mile wise and top speed wise, the ACR will see nothing but ZR1 taillights as well as the FGT.

I'm pretty sure the motor/drivetrain in the ZR1 will withstand 1000rwhp just as the FGT.

 

[Vigilante]

i have seen so many C6 Z06's in Tucson that i have lost count. same goes for vipers. i have seen 5 Ford GT's driving down the road in this town too and i don't even know who the owners are :shrug:

whats very rare to see in Tucson are Ferraris and Lambos. the Lambos more so

What side of town you live on? That makes a big difference. I've only seen a handful of vettes(including one owned by my uncle), a total of two vipers and maybe 15 all years cobras since this time last year. And I drive 30+ miles to work eache day. Also only seen one lambo and ferrari since I've lived here.

 

[ChiSVT]

The C6Z outgrips and outbrakes the FGT. Show me a set of statistics thats proves otherwise in both departments.

Take a look at the link I posted.

The C6Z may outgrip and outbrake the GT, but the differences are VERY marginal, not like the .94 skidpad and 173ft 70-0ft braking you quoted for the GT. :lol1: Results have gone both ways, but those numbers are way off, that would be like posting these results for the z06.

The Viper ACR is a car specially built for THE TRACK. Comparing an ACR to a ZR1 is comparing apples to oranges - 2 cars with 2 different purposes. 1/4 mile wise and top speed wise, the ACR will see nothing but ZR1 taillights as well as the FGT.

Maybe so, but it's just as retarded as saying the Z06 is anymore impressive than a FGT because it's N/A. Is the GT more impressive because it holds it's own even though it weighs over 300lbs more and has a 5.4L instead of a 7.0L? It is what it is, those arguements are useless.

I'm pretty sure the motor/drivetrain in the ZR1 will withstand 1000rwhp just as the FGT.

Only time will tell. One thing is for sure, it will never put down the power to the ground as well as the FGT that has 57% of it's weight over the rear-wheels vs 53% over the front tires as in the ZR-1s case.

 

[BayareaSS]

My sig shows my lack of disposable income lol. But are you kidding me, for a college guy this car performs amazingly. This past weekend I was at a party and met a hot girl, the next morning we went up the street to get breakfast and when we got up to my car she went crazy about it. "Oh my god you drive a red mustang?!" "You didn't tell me that, I love mustangs, the Cobra's the fast one right?" blah blah blah Either way she put her number in my phone so we can go out for a real ride sometime. That's performance man.

Its not performance until you seal the deal :banana: