Biggest engineering screwup

[COOL COBRA]

What about the 2020 GT500? Will it blow oil like a bitch too? Can the cute little rotary dial transmission handle TQ?
There might be some pissed off "i want it now" buyers tryito contact Ford soon after purchase.

 

[98 Saleen Cobra]

I was going to say the Tacoma Narrows Bridge. Or possibly the Hubble primary mirror. I see now I was going in the wrong direction on this.

The Chernobyl disaster I think.

 

[03Sssnake]

The Z06 valve issue was a manufacturing issue, not the design of the engine. I haven't followed the GT350 issue too much...

Actually it’s a bit of both, the valve/rocker geometry does contribute to side loading forces on exhaust valve stem tips...but faulty sonic welds definitely were an issue too.
I think a set of shaft mount rockers would eliminate the issue almost entirely. Worth noting that guys have had failures with solid exhaust valves too.

 

[CV355]

Torx is best. When I install a puppet ruler of the world, the first thing I'm going to have him do is make a law banning everything but Torx.

You have my vote, good sir! There's just something very satisfying about Torx- the bit fitment, securing torque, bit breakaway. Phillips had its place, but we're talking 1930's. They were designed for better torque than alternatives, and less clocking involved to engage with the bit. There are so many better options now.

 

[Blk04L]

Putting a Taurus engine in the Ford GT.








jk

 

[IronSnake]

What about the 2020 GT500? Will it blow oil like a bitch too? Can the cute little rotary dial transmission handle TQ?
There might be some pissed off "i want it now" buyers try to contact Ford soon after purchase.

Considering they can't build normal Gen 3 5.0's that don't rattle or consume oil right now, I have little hope for the GT500.

 

[Tractorman]

All of these are nice, but nothing comes close to the International 460/560 rear end debacle that essentially led it the IH downfall. International Harvester was king of the ag world in the 40's and 50's, but majorly dropped the ball when they released the 460/560 tractors, but didn't really update the rear end for more power and weight from previous gens. Dealers had tent cities up to perform the warranty work. Coupled with John Deere releasing the 4010/4020 series, IH never fully recovered and continued to lose market share.

 

[earico]

You have my vote, good sir! There's just something very satisfying about Torx- the bit fitment, securing torque, bit breakaway. Phillips had its place, but we're talking 1930's. They were designed for better torque than alternatives, and less clocking involved to engage with the bit. There are so many better options now.

About the only place Phillips should still be used is sheetrock. Torx is superior in every other way.

 

[MG0h3]

Is this Demon specific or all widebody Challengers?

I’m indifferent. Just being a wise ass.

New WB charger looks pretty sweet though


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[MG0h3]

Damn. I was 7 when the Challenger nuked. Watched it live in elementary.

Been long enough to tell a tasteless Challenger Joke?


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[03Sssnake]

Damn. I was 7 when the Challenger nuked. Watched it live in elementary.

Been long enough to tell a tasteless Challenger Joke?


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I was in the 2nd grade watching that shit on TV too. Mrs. Stargel couldn't unplug that TV fast enough!

 

[GTSpartan]

The Chernobyl disaster I think.

+1

Specifically, the design of a RBMK reactor.


To the OP's original question, definitely the GT350 engine. As stated, the LS7 issues were manufacturing related. I believe there are inherent design issues with the Voodoo. When you read/listen to some of the engineers talks about the engine development and all the hurdles they faced, along with all the design compromises they were forced to make in the name of a FPC, it concerns me.

 

[blk02edge]

Road bicycles and mens spandex.

 

[BlckBox04]

He sucked you in with the thread title. False advertising - just like a padded bra.

xseller would be proud

 

[BrunotheBoxer]

So I’m not really aware of the gt350 issue. I don’t follow them.
But how do we know there won’t be an issue with the 2020gt500 if it’s basically the same engine?
I’m no expert on these cars. I stopped following along after I bought my 14 GT500.

 

[RedVenom48]

+1

Specifically, the design of a RBMK reactor.


To the OP's original question, definitely the GT350 engine. As stated, the LS7 issues were manufacturing related. I believe there are inherent design issues with the Voodoo. When you read/listen to some of the engineers talks about the engine development and all the hurdles they faced, along with all the design compromises they were forced to make in the name of a FPC, it concerns me.

Which, as a GT500 fan, pisses me off. They built the GT350 seemingly as a "Look at how big our engineering dicks are" statement.

I dont have any denial that the engine loves to rev and live at the top end on a road course, but all the engineering resources it took has to be a reason why the S550 GT500 took so long to come out.

I admit I could be completely wrong on this and Ford dragged their heels about the 500 for different reasons, but there was nothing wrong with the Road Runner engine in the 12-13 Boss. Ive not heard of any issues relating to the 12-13 Boss engines due to reliability. Hell, how many guys have taken a Boss 302 and thrown all the boost at it and it asks for more?

 

[03Sssnake]

So I’m not really aware of the gt350 issue. I don’t follow them.
But how do we know there won’t be an issue with the 2020gt500 if it’s basically the same engine?
I’m no expert on these cars. I stopped following along after I bought my 14 GT500.

I think the biggest factor is the spray in bore liner instead of going with more traditional liner insert iron/steel.

 

[RedVenom48]

I think the biggest factor is the spray in bore liner instead of going with more traditional liner insert iron/steel.

Keep in mind though that the GT-R's and the 11-14 GT500 all had the spray liners too. The GT500 blocks were sprayed and cast by Honsul in Germany. The GT350 and the Gen 3 Coyote are sprayed and assembled in Canada.

 

[HillbillyHotRod]

I have not heard but isnt the GT500 a cross plane motor as opposed to the flat plane in the GT350? I think that may be the core of the problems with the GT350. If it is basically the same motor who knows which is why I would never buy a first year model just to have the bragging rights.

 

[GTSpartan]

Which, as a GT500 fan, pisses me off. They built the GT350 seemingly as a "Look at how big our engineering dicks are" statement.

I dont have any denial that the engine loves to rev and live at the top end on a road course, but all the engineering resources it took has to be a reason why the S550 GT500 took so long to come out.

I admit I could be completely wrong on this and Ford dragged their heels about the 500 for different reasons, but there was nothing wrong with the Road Runner engine in the 12-13 Boss. Ive not heard of any issues relating to the 12-13 Boss engines due to reliability. Hell, how many guys have taken a Boss 302 and thrown all the boost at it and it asks for more?

The fact that Ford dumped the FPC engine in their Mustang race cars in favor of a CPC configuration says a lot IMO.