FL street racing bill

[Kiohtee]

I wonder how many street races take place versus how many accidents are caused by said street racers. All I'm saying is the numbers can't be great enough to have to go through the trouble of this BS. Street racing already carries hefty consequences, as does manslaughter.

 

[Twisted2v]

The end is near for automotive enthusiasts.

Laws
Unlockable ECUs
EPA Crack Downs
Sound restrictions at tracks
Costs associated with doing automotive shit, going up, as demand decreases.

Pretty soon going to be who has the faster power wheel, with electric cars being the norm.

Almost feel like a dumb ass for being a car guy any more. Feeding the system more than anything, which in return does the above.

Speaking of EPA crackdowns, I saw a YT video of a confrontation after being pulled over. Foreigner flys his Lambo over to the US to drive it, and mentioned to the cop that he had an EPA exemption.

Not trying to sidetrack this thread, but foreigners have a way around a lot of rules. The citizens seem to be the oppressed. Plus these immigrants can sue the government for millions for some kind of negligence.

 

[shurur]

A Scalia court would shoot this down in 2 seconds flat.

Street racers are idiots who put peoples lives in danger and they should be prosecuted. The Police need to catch them and the courts need to prosecute them.

However a bill like this completely tramples an individuals' rights.

From the article: "It would allow law enforcement officers to build cases against street racers without actually witnessing the race and make arrests without seeking a warrant. The bill provides for the use of video, witnesses and other evidence to bring charges."

There will absolutely be 4th Amendment problems here.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

This has been tossed by "our" justice system.
No one [ People (civilians)] in the public has any reasonable right or expectation to privacy.

 

[gimmie11s]

This has been tossed by "our" justice system.
No one [ People (civilians)] in the public has any reasonable right or expectation to privacy.

What does privacy in public have to do with the 4th amendment?

Also....any God-given, unalienable rights underlined by our Constitution absolutely apply in public.

I think that’s kind of the point of it (Constitution).

Perhaps there was some sarcasm in your post I completely missed (very possible).


EDIT: just noticed you’re from Florida.. post makes more sense now. My bad!



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[GTSpartan]

Don’t race on the street and you have nothing to worry about.

I don’t agree with utilizing here say or other iffy sources of evidence though. With that being said, I believe it is a flawed argument to hide behind the law in a effort to justify bad choices, that are both both highly illegal and can have deadly consequences.

 

[KilledbyKenne]

Don’t race on the street and you have nothing to worry about.

 

[shurur]

What does privacy in public have to do with the 4th amendment?

Also....any God-given, unalienable rights underlined by our Constitution absolutely apply in public.

I think that’s kind of the point of it (Constitution).

Perhaps there was some sarcasm in your post I completely missed (very possible).


EDIT: just noticed you’re from Florida.. post makes more sense now. My bad!



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Yes I was being sarcastic..but also making the point that anyone can film or record anyone else who is in the public; so that is the argument LE will use to make use of any videos or other recordings to build a case against someone.

The privacy quote was used by NH LE, unless it was LE being filmed by civilians.
Then it had to go through the court system where LE had to realize that the sword had two edges and that they could be filmed and recorded as well..

And now I live in FL..

 

[DSG2003Mach1]

Makes me think of the guy that went driving around in a gorilla mask running all the epass/toll booths. He got all these citations and just kept telling them to prove it was him.

Also around here I'd imagine they could snag the epass transactions and narrow down who you are real quick if it's on any of the toll roads (which of course are the straightest, flattest and least traffic in the middle of the night)

 

[STAMPEDE3]

Huh, first time reading about this.

As long as someone has video evidence then I'm ok with this.

If it's word of mouth by only 1 person, I hope that's not all that is needed.

But what if your house got robbed and only 1 person saw it?

A Scalia court would shoot this down in 2 seconds flat.

Street racers are idiots who put peoples lives in danger and they should be prosecuted. The Police need to catch them and the courts need to prosecute them.

However a bill like this completely tramples an individuals' rights.

From the article: "It would allow law enforcement officers to build cases against street racers without actually witnessing the race and make arrests without seeking a warrant. The bill provides for the use of video, witnesses and other evidence to bring charges."

There will absolutely be 4th Amendment problems here.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Again I'm playing devils advocate, If a crime was committed on your property and your neighbors camera caught it but the cops didn't catch them in the act, Are you OK with that?

If they can use video only or word of mouth to arrest and prosecute 1 crime then why not another?

 

[DaleM]

Yeah, if not for a good.lawyer my street racing event years ago would have been oooogly. Reckless to endanger and display of horsepower was beaten down to driving with faulty equipment. I had the service not just a few days before showing my traction control was.broken. Cop was hidden 3 car behind me as two motorcycles.wanted a go. They ran, and got in big trouble. I was stupid but not that stupid. That was Back at fort Bragg and I was fresh from.Afghanistan, thought driving like that relieved stress. I wish I had that money back right now!

Costly lesson and glad it did not end worse. Living in FL it is bad enough negotiating through normal.drivers. It is the main reason I am not sitting on an Indian Motorcycle right now.

 

[Twisted2v]

I really feel for all the abducted and missing children and people. LE wasting time with petty stuff like lowered suspension and exhaust. Or my expired registration last night.

 

[Smooth]

...If a crime was committed on your property and your neighbors camera caught it but the cops didn't catch them in the act, Are you OK with that?

If it's a basketball hitting stucco, yes...I'm okay with it.

 

[STAMPEDE3]

I really feel for all the abducted and missing children and people. LE wasting time with petty stuff like lowered suspension and exhaust. Or my expired registration last night.

1. You can't go through life ignoring one crime just because others happen.
2. Do you realize that there are stats that show many people who committed worse crimes were actually caught on a traffic stop based on some of what you just listed.

If it's a basketball hitting stucco, yes...I'm okay with it.

So if they rob your shit then cameras are not ok as a means to catch a crook?

 

[Smooth]

Me:

 

[Twisted2v]

1. You can't go through life ignoring one crime just because others happen.
2. Do you realize that there are stats that show many people who committed worse crimes were actually caught on a traffic stop based on some of what you just listed.




So if they rob your shit then cameras are not ok as a means to catch a crook?

1. Saying that racing or modifying a car is a crime is an opinion. Legislators are old people, and old people are easily offended. They want to outlaw saggy pants and twerking.

2.The chances of an abducted person being in a car that's racing or in a car with a loud exhaust is almost zero. If you want to pull over semis with trailers or vans to see inside, thats ok because you know they would eventually find people being trafficked.

 

[DaleM]

1. Saying that racing or modifying a car is a crime is an opinion. Legislators are old people, and old people are easily offended. They want to outlaw saggy pants and twerking.

2.The chances of an abducted person being in a car that's racing or in a car with a loud exhaust is almost zero. If you want to pull over semis with trailers or vans to see inside, thats ok because you know they would eventually find people being trafficked.

Drugs and alcohol and illegal.weapons have been part of the racing cultute. Hell NASCAR has legendary moonshine runners in its shadows.

Last Bradenton drag race I went to I wish I could have breathalized everyone leaving the gates and the guys losing traction fishtailing out the gate into the hwy.

 

[FJohnny]

Legislators are old people, and old people are easily offended. They want to outlaw saggy pants and twerking.

Statistically about 75% of people twerking look really foolish. That number bumps up to almost 90% when it comes to wearing saggy pants. But when someone wearing saggy pants starts to twerk like a maniac you actually come close to the magic 100%.

So, if you are wearing saggy pants please don't twerk. You never know when a really old legislator might be watching.

 

[STAMPEDE3]

1. Saying that racing or modifying a car is a crime is an opinion. Legislators are old people, and old people are easily offended. They want to outlaw saggy pants and twerking.

2.The chances of an abducted person being in a car that's racing or in a car with a loud exhaust is almost zero. If you want to pull over semis with trailers or vans to see inside, thats ok because you know they would eventually find people being trafficked.

1 still does not change that you can't ignore what on the books is a crime just because other crimes are happening.
BTW, average age of state legislators is 56. Average age of US citizens is 47 so the only ones NOT offended according to you would be young assholes according to me.

2, still doesn't matter, many people who committed bigger crimes are still caught in traffic stops for other reasons.

Quit trying to make excuses for criminals.

 

[Twisted2v]

Drugs and alcohol and illegal.weapons have been part of the racing cultute. Hell NASCAR has legendary moonshine runners in its shadows.

Last Bradenton drag race I went to I wish I could have breathalized everyone leaving the gates and the guys losing traction fishtailing out the gate into the hwy.

That's a hell of a stereotype. Might as well outlaw sporting events, concerts,bars, stripclubs, hookah lounges, places of employment, college campuses, parks, hiking trails, golf courses, hunting areas, etc if illegal drugs, alcohol, weapons are involved.

Any of those places have more illegal substances than a car event.

The only difference is that those places make the gov. money.

 

[Twisted2v]

1 still does not change that you can't ignore what on the books is a crime just because other crimes are happening.
BTW, average age of state legislators is 56. Average age of US citizens is 47 so the only ones NOT offended according to you would be young assholes according to me.

2, still doesn't matter, many people who committed bigger crimes are still caught in traffic stops for other reasons.

Quit trying to make excuses for criminals.

Murder is a crime. The military murders innocent people.
People assault and batter each other on football fields and UFC/boxing rings.
Cops drive recklessly for no reason.

There's a law to get everyone. Everyone's a criminal.

Of all the meaningless things ive been pulled over for car wise, they could have used that time to find trafficked victims. Instead they are long gone.