Who's in the rental house business?

lilcoop03

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Joined
Jul 28, 2009
Messages
628
Location
sc
Been land lording since I was 22. I’ve used prop managers on some, not on others, and switched back and forth on the same property. You can always use a prop manager for the first year (this is standard contract but confirm with yours) then take over yourself once you have a feel for things.

Bigger pockets.com is a good resource.

As mentioned before the manager will take all your positive cash flow in most cases on your typical property/rent income scenario. Won’t on yours due to the low price. Either way I avoid them now unless absolutely necessary (out of state when a tenant leaves or something).

Anything can happen and a lease won’t stop a shithead from trying to **** you. First renter ever was a female apartment complex manager. She knows the drill...good to go right? Wrong. Showed up with a money tree check second month. Had a dipshit realtor put a legit criminal in a house a few years ago. He had filed bankruptcy a week before moving in. Realtor washed her hands of it 2 months later when he quit paying. I then hired a prop manager to evict him in court and I won all the lost money but he literally said in court “I’ll never pay”. Guy had done 9yrs for embezzlement lol. Guy is dead now and I’m glad.

Its a nice way to have passive income and I love the tax break; you won’t get much of one due to the low price. Buy more. I sold two last year and am looking to buy again.


Sent from my iPhone using svtperformance.com

Good stuff, thanks man.

That's crazy about the embezzler guy. I'm thinking a PM for the first year or so is a good idea ($60 a month is worth it)
 

colin450

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Joined
Sep 26, 2004
Messages
1,779
Location
MA
I bought a 2-family in the town that I live in back in 2013. One tenant was there when I bought, the other I got within the first month, they've been there ever since, no major issues, they've never missed a payment. I make about $1000 per month profit. I sacrificed a couple more years at home instead of moving into the nicer side and built my own house 2 years ago. Rental income almost pays for the mortgage for the house I live in.

Not sure what the market is like where you're from but here it seems like the prices are all too high for an investment property. Especially if you want something a little nicer so people can move right in. Something to consider.
 

mc01svt

100% full natty brah
Established Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2005
Messages
5,030
Location
GA/SC
Looks like I am buying my first income property this week at a great deal..

Who has experience here?

Do you use property managers or manage them yourselves?

ALL relevant info is welcome as I am new to the business.

i have one rental property near columbia SC. i have rented it for 4 years but now im prepping to sell.

make sure you calculate all your expenses to the T then gone ahead and raise those by 40% for a more realistic picture.

in general its almost impossible to cash flow on "cheap" single family homes. Large cap-ex expenses and repairs will likely destroy all your profits since there isnt much headroom at only $600/mo. a/c unit cost the same to fix wether the house rents for $600 or $1200, but one will be a much higher percentage

also be aware, in SC the property tax rate is 3x higher when you rent a house instead of living in it. Insurance will be also be higher and it generally increases every year. Your cashflow might be ok today and horrible 5yrs from now.

tenant screening is luck of the draw, my 1st tenant destroyed my house and complained about anything and everything. 2nd tenant was way better.

be careful self managing. There are alot of tenant-landlord laws on the books that change constantly and you can open up yourself to a world of hurt if you deny someones rental application or file an eviction improperly or various other reasons.
 

Coiled03

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2004
Messages
12,264
Location
IL
Man, I really want to get a rental property, but it seems like there are a ton of potential landmines for not much return. Am I misunderstanding?
 

lilcoop03

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Joined
Jul 28, 2009
Messages
628
Location
sc
i have one rental property near columbia SC. i have rented it for 4 years but now im prepping to sell.

make sure you calculate all your expenses to the T then gone ahead and raise those by 40% for a more realistic picture.

in general its almost impossible to cash flow on "cheap" single family homes. Large cap-ex expenses and repairs will likely destroy all your profits since there isnt much headroom at only $600/mo. a/c unit cost the same to fix wether the house rents for $600 or $1200, but one will be a much higher percentage

also be aware, in SC the property tax rate is 3x higher when you rent a house instead of living in it. Insurance will be also be higher and it generally increases every year. Your cashflow might be ok today and horrible 5yrs from now.

tenant screening is luck of the draw, my 1st tenant destroyed my house and complained about anything and everything. 2nd tenant was way better.

be careful self managing. There are alot of tenant-landlord laws on the books that change constantly and you can open up yourself to a world of hurt if you deny someones rental application or file an eviction improperly or various other reasons.

A/C unit is small, pretty new and tested well. So I hope I'm good with it at least for a while...

I'm aware of the tax rates, I have calculated it to be around $1200/year. The house is in the county, not city so no city taxes... I have insurance quoted at $800/year with a $110,000 replacement cost.

I think this is a great opportunity and challenge for me. That said, If I wasn't getting it so cheap I would probably look for another one to start with.
 

lilcoop03

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Joined
Jul 28, 2009
Messages
628
Location
sc
Man, I really want to get a rental property, but it seems like there are a ton of potential landmines for not much return. Am I misunderstanding?

I think the best way to look at it is you are buying properties and building wealth using someone else's money. That's pretty solid motivation. Of course, bad tenants can make it a nightmare no doubt.

I may hire the local PM, they screen all tenants and do the evictions, etc
 

blownstang4.6

Active Member
Established Member
Joined
Nov 8, 2011
Messages
469
Location
Chicago
A/C unit is small, pretty new and tested well. So I hope I'm good with it at least for a while...

I'm aware of the tax rates, I have calculated it to be around $1200/year. The house is in the county, not city so no city taxes... I have insurance quoted at $800/year with a $110,000 replacement cost.

I think this is a great opportunity and challenge for me. That said, If I wasn't getting it so cheap I would probably look for another one to start with.

Wow... Thats peanuts! Can I come buy like 10 homes there and rent them all!? Lol My tax in 2018 on my rental was $11,200.
 

blownstang4.6

Active Member
Established Member
Joined
Nov 8, 2011
Messages
469
Location
Chicago
I think the best way to look at it is you are buying properties and building wealth using someone else's money. That's pretty solid motivation. Of course, bad tenants can make it a nightmare no doubt.

I may hire the local PM, they screen all tenants and do the evictions, etc

Exactly! Someone else is paying for that rental house and possibly for the house where you live. Yes it will be very easy money at times and then other times it will be a headache. As long as the easy money times outweigh the headache times then you're good.
 

coposrv

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Joined
Sep 4, 2007
Messages
5,030
Location
boston
My father has owned at one time 130 rented units over about 30 buildings in the metro Boston area. From the backbay all the way west down the marathon route. He didn’t end up using a property management firm until he had 20 or so units. No matter what someone was always in court and he could have hired his own construction company to keep up with all the necessary maintenance and repairs.

The PM firm he used handled all advertising, leasing, and rent collection.

He would purchase them and completely renovate and replace all appliances. Basically building a brand new apartment.


He’s sold off quite a few over the last 10 years or so and is back to managing himself.

I’ve talked to him at length and he says 1-3 units or homes isn’t worth the headache. Having 5-10 starts to make it worth it but it becomes a second full time job.

He’s has been able to handle this while running his electrical firm so his schedule is somewhat flexible but it still is a 7 day work week.


Sent from my iPhone using svtperformance.com
 

MG0h3

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Joined
Jul 23, 2014
Messages
13,931
Location
El Paso, TX
Man, I really want to get a rental property, but it seems like there are a ton of potential landmines for not much return. Am I misunderstanding?

Nah it can be tough at times. I had one guy call me and say hey got a DWI and got fired. Moving back home. Literally one day notice. I was cool with him throughout the tenancy if he got behind. He kept paying me after moving out to cover his debt. Dude literally packed a backpack and left. Didn’t even take his toothbrush. I came out ok so no biggie.

Odd thing is, I got ****ed the worst using a realtor.

I plan to always have enough rentals to max the 25k per year loss. Saves me a boatload in taxes.


Sent from my iPhone using the svtperformance.com mobile app
 

PhoenixM3

Hello Kitty Slayer
Established Member
Premium Member
Joined
Jul 31, 2012
Messages
6,414
Location
Colorado Springs
Eviction 101

If they are slow pay or no pay. Send 240 volts to 120 volt outlets to destroy all electronics. Repeat process until they leave.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
If caught, you’d likely get arrested, then have to pay restitution to the tenant AND put them in a hotel until repairs to your house were made. It absolutely sucks in some states that the law favors the tenants.
 

Buckwheat 1

I like Blm junk in my butt
Established Member
Joined
Sep 29, 2015
Messages
5,029
Location
Cape Cod
If caught, you’d likely get arrested, then have to pay restitution to the tenant AND put them in a hotel until repairs to your house were made. It absolutely sucks in some states that the law favors the tenants.

You just put the wires back. 20 min work.


Sent from my iPhone using the svtperformance.com mobile app
 

VegasMichael

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Joined
May 31, 2010
Messages
6,519
Location
Empire State
Have heard too many nightmares with residential rentals to go into it. I would contemplate commercial or vacation rentals though.
 

HillbillyHotRod

Hooligan rabble rouser
Established Member
Joined
Jan 9, 2014
Messages
8,428
Location
Ozarks of Arkansas
Just exchanged last house for a vacation condo. Been doing this for 30 years. Can be a pain in the butt if you are tight on income. I did it myself at first but with screening tenants and collecting rents and maintenance it was a job. I then got a pm to take care of everything. At first it was costing money but had a good job so could cover it. Once it started creating cash flow it was good to go.
 

04YellowGT

Active Member
Established Member
Joined
Sep 29, 2005
Messages
644
Location
Indiana
I've got a rental that was my first house. 2.5 bedroom, 1.5bath, 1900 sq/ft. Renting it at $750 and had 50 phone calls on it the day I put it up to rent. Its old and needs some updates but isn't horrible. I manage it on my own. I will say that I've had good luck with my renters and have only had 2 in 8 years. I tried to price it so that people can afford it and want to take care of it because they know they won't find another deal like it. I pocket about $1k each year. I still owe on it though so the renters are paying all the bills on it. I've been looking at picking up another property or two in the near future once prices settle. I've also thought about selling it because i probably have 60k in equity in it.
 

MG0h3

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Joined
Jul 23, 2014
Messages
13,931
Location
El Paso, TX
You have three income areas on rentals like these:

Positive cash flow-$100 per door is good
Principle loan pay down
Tax break.

It adds up.


Sent from my iPhone using svtperformance.com
 

Kevins89notch

Well-Known Member
Established Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2005
Messages
6,655
Location
Central Florida
I once heard a story (so it could be 100% fake but it still made me laugh). It was a craigslist ad in a college town, saying "re: don't rent from address XXXXXXX" I was looking for a room, so I clicked the post. Person was claiming they paid a $500 deposit for a room in this person's house and $500 for the first month's rent. Security deposit was to be the last month's rent if given a 30 day notice. Ok, sound fine....but then he claimed that 2 weeks in the homeowner (who thus lives in the house) called 911, claimed the renter threatened him, and filed a restraining order thus is instantly couldn't go "home" if you want to call it that. He was able to remove his belongings with the police being there, and then just moved elsewhere after crashing on some friends couches a couple nights.


...so that's how you evict someone fast, still "live" there at least on paper, and then file a fake police report.
 

Users who are viewing this thread



Top