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Thanks man. That mirrors the good advice I am recieving from others who have been there to, and even a bit more info than most have said (thanks again). I do appreciate it greatly. My thinking is the same. When I do mod, I am gonna try the 3.73 rear gear, cold air, theottle body and tune. Already working on the plugs and colder t stat soon. I was thinking about the upper SC pulley but I would rather air to the somewhat safer zone versus pushing her too far for a few ponies more after reading your input.
Depending on what you want to do with the car, you really dont need to change the pulleys unless you going to track it. The cold air, throttle body, gears, cold stat, plugs and tune is more than enough on a street driven car. if tou gave some room, take it up to 3000rpm in second and punch it. Make sure you wear a diaper.
 

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I’d recommend to get cancel the warranty you got and put it towards mods. Go with long tubes, throttle body, intake and a tune. Safe with a good amount of HP. Stock is cool until you run into another car that isn’t. Good luck.


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I’d recommend to get cancel the warranty you got and put it towards mods. Go with long tubes, throttle body, intake and a tune. Safe with a good amount of HP. Stock is cool until you run into another car that isn’t. Good luck.


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I wish I could cancel it, but soon or either after waiting awhile I am still gonna do the mods. Just still a bit nervous until I truly feel safe about the car. Thanks man.
 

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You do the mods, you void the warranty. Returning it to stock in order to fool Ford to fix it because you voided the warranty is fraud. Yes, they have the means to detect that the warranty was voided to tell you to pound sand.
Ok I guess I need to clear the air catmonkey. It seemed to me you’re first response was a bit harsh true enough. I can understand that I guess you were blunt because you didnt like me asking can ford tell if I had modded or not. I am well aware that would not be honest and probably shouldnt even have asked it, but in my defense my local ford dealer’s manager of the service department answered the same exact question for me and told me what I can get away with and keep the warranty in place. He is a modder/enthusiast as well. Also that they would stand behind it. They even sold me the warranty after a thorough inspection of the car and they agreed the “engine knocked” before they did so. It still troubled me a bit because they made me find the problem! Said they couldnt go further without a definate failure, loss of performance, or it throwing a code... You really do seem to have a lot of good information on our cars (and I did appreciate the info maybe not the delivery) Im a big boy and I can take it. And I sincerely thanked you for the info itself, but I definitely did not hit “like” on that one however! I really was thrown by the second response after I had thanked you, because I did not realize I had quoted you at that time, so I understand the harshness there now. I just figured out that after you read a message and tap reply it quotes the message sender. My apology on that. That being said, I can truthfully say I did not say or intend any ill will or words. Life is far too short to me for any such. And I still mean what I said about appreciating your info and advice on this and the other forum we communicate on. So live long and prosper brother!
 

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Ok I guess I need to clear the air catmonkey. It seemed to me you’re first response was a bit harsh true enough. I can understand that I guess you were blunt because you didnt like me asking can ford tell if I had modded or not. I am well aware that would not be honest and probably shouldnt even have asked it, but in my defense my local ford dealer’s manager of the service department answered the same exact question for me and told me what I can get away with and keep the warranty in place. He is a modder/enthusiast as well. Also that they would stand behind it. They even sold me the warranty after a thorough inspection of the car and they agreed the “engine knocked” before they did so. It still troubled me a bit because they made me find the problem! Said they couldnt go further without a definate failure, loss of performance, or it throwing a code... You really do seem to have a lot of good information on our cars (and I did appreciate the info maybe not the delivery) Im a big boy and I can take it. And I sincerely thanked you for the info itself, but I definitely did not hit “like” on that one however! I really was thrown by the second response after I had thanked you, because I did not realize I had quoted you at that time, so I understand the harshness there now. I just figured out that after you read a message and tap reply it quotes the message sender. My apology on that. That being said, I can truthfully say I did not say or intend any ill will or words. Life is far too short to me for any such. And I still mean what I said about appreciating your info and advice on this and the other forum we communicate on. So live long and prosper brother!

Speaking for myself, even stock I used to get some pinging from time to time with 91 or even 94 octane pump gas. Short answer...today's gas is crap! Its all over the place. I used octane boost for awhile. The good stuff like Torco works, but it tends to leave an orange residue over everything (MMT). I was using half a can to a tank. I then went old school and put a colder thermostat in, got a 93 octane tune from Lund (for the cold air) and put colder plugs in (TR7ix). The tune will have the fan on parameters changed to take advantage of the colder stat. After that I started to reduce the amount of octane boost until I was putting in an 1/8th of a can per tank with no ping with 91 octane. This year I'm going to try no octane boost.
 

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Why run a 93 tune on 91 with no octane booster?
What year is your car?
Not sure how much driving you do, but octane booster is cheap insurance. Plus more enjoyable with even a few degrees timing giving awesome torque and better performance.
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I wish I could cancel it, but soon or either after waiting awhile I am still gonna do the mods. Just still a bit nervous until I truly feel safe about the car. Thanks man.

If you're ok paying $2700 for the extended warranty, thats all that matters.
Norton may have payed $800 for a 7 year extended warranty but I guarantee he purchased it while the car was still under the 3-36

You don't have to do many mods to really wake these cars up. Don't get me wrong, these cars are very fast stock but if you're determined to mod, get a Jon Lund tune. The tune, Ford Racing TB and a CAI , along with some better tires than stock, will put a smile on your face. Use good fuel and don't over rev.

If you're looking for good sound advice, look to BiminiLX. The guy has a wealth of info and knows what he's talking about. He won't steer you wrong.

I didn't feel as though you were coming across as one that was looking to intentionally push the envelope then have Ford foot the bill. You appear to be genuine in your concerns.

As far as some other member claiming he's a "stakeholder" in Ford, implying that he'll lose money if there are frivolous claims paid out, Is ridiculous.
I too have been a Ford shareholder (unfortunately) for a number of years.
Ok dividends but one that has been stagnant for too long.
 

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As far as some other member claiming he's a "stakeholder" in Ford, implying that he'll lose money if there are frivolous claims paid out, Is ridiculous.
You talkin' to me? I'm also a CPA that has been in public accounting for 41 years. Would you care to explain how Ford does not incur any cost or loss associated with any warranty claim, fraudulent or legitimate? If warranty claims are excessive it will ultimately affect their stock price. My investment in Ford is still above water and a 7% dividend might not be that great, but there are not a whole lot of alternatives in this market. It's not a large component of my investments, but I am recently retired. I really don't give a rat's ass if you believe I'm an investor or not.

Let's tackle fraud versus frivolous. Fraud is defined an intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right. Modding your engine and removing such mods and presenting the car to Ford to fix under warranty is an intentional perversion of the truth. You are attempting to deceive Ford to give you a new engine because modifications are covered in your warranty. Have you read it? It pretty much nullifies the engine warranty for just about every conceivable modification in airflow.

Frivolous is defined as having little weight or importance. Asking Ford to fix the flaking powder coating on your valve cover would be frivolous. I'm among several on these forums that have incurred cost to build one of these engines based on our own misuse and it's anything but frivolous. Can you see the difference?

OP did not provide any examples in his initial post. For all I know his intentions could have been to slap a 4 liter blower on top of his car. When I think mod, I think big. I do a lot of fraud and embezzlement work, so I don't have a whole lot of faith in my fellow man. OP explained himself and I'm okay with that. I'm not sure what your intent was to come back in here and stir the pot, but I for one don't appreciate it. I don't come in here to troll the forums. If I expressed my disdain for fraudulent activities a little too strongly, please accept my apology.
 

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For all I know his intentions could have been to slap a 4 liter blower on top of his car. When I think mod, I think big. I do a lot of fraud and embezzlement work.

OP, if you slap on a giant blower please don't go embezzling it. Those sparkly things have no place under the hood and will only take away from the already awesome look of your motor. Or is that bedazzling? I always mix those up.

Can we get back to spending OP's money?
 

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Why run a 93 tune on 91 with no octane booster?
What year is your car?
Not sure how much driving you do, but octane booster is cheap insurance. Plus more enjoyable with even a few degrees timing giving awesome torque and better performance.
-J
I've run a 91 tune and 93 tune with every high octane pump fuel I can find in my area (Canada-91 no ethanol, 93/94 with ethanol). With the stock plugs and thermostat I would get some slight pinging intermittently even when it had the stock tune. I spoke to Lund about this and he mentioned that the remote tunes hes done for the Canadian market have shown that 94 octane fuel was all over the place and was really no better than the 91 octane no ethanol shell. He recommended sticking with non ethanol 91. I asked about running the 93 tune with 91 octane and he said it would be fine. I only drive the car when the weather is nice (I hate washing cars) so I might put 2000 miles on the car a year. I have been running Boostane for a few years. It does work. With the TR6ix plugs and stock t-stat, 93 tune, absolutely no pinging with 91 shell v-power and a half a can of professional Boostane. Only thing is its a pain in the ass to get in my area. I have to get it sent to a mailbox near the border and then drive down to get it. 6 can would last about a season (1/2 can per fill up). And it turns everything orange (MMT). When you got on the throttle there would be a huge cloud of orange behind you. When I installed the headers last fall and looked into the cat converter everything in there was orange. My fear is that it would eventually plug up the converter (just a theory of mine through what I've observed). After I changed the plugs to TR7ix and went to a 170 thermostat, I started cutting the octane boost down with the 93 tune and 91 fuel until I was down to an 1/8 of a can to a tank. With the way I drive I had zero ping so I think I must have hit on the combination that works for me. I've got new Kook green cats on the car now. Obviously pinging takes priority over the other inconveniences and orange clouds, but If I can accomplish the goal without the additives its a bonus.
 

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If you're ok paying $2700 for the extended warranty, thats all that matters.
Norton may have payed $800 for a 7 year extended warranty but I guarantee he purchased it while the car was still under the 3-36

You don't have to do many mods to really wake these cars up. Don't get me wrong, these cars are very fast stock but if you're determined to mod, get a Jon Lund tune. The tune, Ford Racing TB and a CAI , along with some better tires than stock, will put a smile on your face. Use good fuel and don't over rev.

If you're looking for good sound advice, look to BiminiLX. The guy has a wealth of info and knows what he's talking about. He won't steer you wrong.

I didn't feel as though you were coming across as one that was looking to intentionally push the envelope then have Ford foot the bill. You appear to be genuine in your concerns.

As far as some other member claiming he's a "stakeholder" in Ford, implying that he'll lose money if there are frivolous claims paid out, Is ridiculous.
I too have been a Ford shareholder (unfortunately) for a number of years.
Ok dividends but one that has been stagnant for too long.
Yeah Im so on the fence about going ahead with the mods now. I will definitely do so in the not to distant future. The very mods you mentioned and the rear gears will probably be where I leave it until “some day” when I do a full on build way down the road. I appreciate the advice bro. I have fell in love with this car for sure...
 

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I've run a 91 tune and 93 tune with every high octane pump fuel I can find in my area (Canada-91 no ethanol, 93/94 with ethanol). With the stock plugs and thermostat I would get some slight pinging intermittently even when it had the stock tune. I spoke to Lund about this and he mentioned that the remote tunes hes done for the Canadian market have shown that 94 octane fuel was all over the place and was really no better than the 91 octane no ethanol shell. He recommended sticking with non ethanol 91. I asked about running the 93 tune with 91 octane and he said it would be fine. I only drive the car when the weather is nice (I hate washing cars) so I might put 2000 miles on the car a year. I have been running Boostane for a few years. It does work. With the TR6ix plugs and stock t-stat, 93 tune, absolutely no pinging with 91 shell v-power and a half a can of professional Boostane. Only thing is its a pain in the ass to get in my area. I have to get it sent to a mailbox near the border and then drive down to get it. 6 can would last about a season (1/2 can per fill up). And it turns everything orange (MMT). When you got on the throttle there would be a huge cloud of orange behind you. When I installed the headers last fall and looked into the cat converter everything in there was orange. My fear is that it would eventually plug up the converter (just a theory of mine through what I've observed). After I changed the plugs to TR7ix and went to a 170 thermostat, I started cutting the octane boost down with the 93 tune and 91 fuel until I was down to an 1/8 of a can to a tank. With the way I drive I had zero ping so I think I must have hit on the combination that works for me. I've got new Kook green cats on the car now. Obviously pinging takes priority over the other inconveniences and orange clouds, but If I can accomplish the goal without the additives its a bonus.
I have only run 93 octane since Ive owned the car. Although it may not always really be 93 octane, Ive not had a problem with it that I know of. Im about to change my plugs because the car is still new to me and I dont know what shape they are in. She runs good and strong however. It seems like a lot of guys think the TR7ix are the best plugs for the 13-14’s. Do you agree? Thanks
 

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I have only run 93 octane since Ive owned the car. Although it may not always really be 93 octane, Ive not had a problem with it that I know of. Im about to change my plugs because the car is still new to me and I dont know what shape they are in. She runs good and strong however. It seems like a lot of guys think the TR7ix are the best plugs for the 13-14’s. Do you agree? Thanks
You're lucky to have 93 available. Those of us living at higher elevation are forced to make due with 91, since it's the highest octane dispensed at "normal" gas station pumps.

Changing plugs is cheap/easy maintenance - definitely a good idea to do it regularly. NGK TR7-IX plugs are a full step colder than stock which, I understand is normally recommended for use with basic bolt-ons (e.g., intake, TB, pulley, tune). For stock applications, I'd go with NGK TR6-IX plugs.
 

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You're lucky to have 93 available. Those of us living at higher elevation are forced to make due with 91, since it's the highest octane dispensed at "normal" gas station pumps.

Changing plugs is cheap/easy maintenance - definitely a good idea to do it regularly. NGK TR7-IX plugs are a full step colder than stock which, I understand is normally recommended for use with basic bolt-ons (e.g., intake, TB, pulley, tune). For stock applications, I'd go with NGK TR6-IX plugs.
Thanks Norton.
 

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I have only run 93 octane since Ive owned the car. Although it may not always really be 93 octane, Ive not had a problem with it that I know of. Im about to change my plugs because the car is still new to me and I dont know what shape they are in. She runs good and strong however. It seems like a lot of guys think the TR7ix are the best plugs for the 13-14’s. Do you agree? Thanks

My opinion, I would go TR7ix. These are a true full point colder. Due to tolerances, the 6s may or may not be a full step colder.
 

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I've run a 91 tune and 93 tune with every high octane pump fuel I can find in my area (Canada-91 no ethanol, 93/94 with ethanol). With the stock plugs and thermostat I would get some slight pinging intermittently even when it had the stock tune. I spoke to Lund about this and he mentioned that the remote tunes hes done for the Canadian market have shown that 94 octane fuel was all over the place and was really no better than the 91 octane no ethanol shell. He recommended sticking with non ethanol 91. I asked about running the 93 tune with 91 octane and he said it would be fine. I only drive the car when the weather is nice (I hate washing cars) so I might put 2000 miles on the car a year. I have been running Boostane for a few years. It does work. With the TR6ix plugs and stock t-stat, 93 tune, absolutely no pinging with 91 shell v-power and a half a can of professional Boostane. Only thing is its a pain in the ass to get in my area. I have to get it sent to a mailbox near the border and then drive down to get it. 6 can would last about a season (1/2 can per fill up). And it turns everything orange (MMT). When you got on the throttle there would be a huge cloud of orange behind you. When I installed the headers last fall and looked into the cat converter everything in there was orange. My fear is that it would eventually plug up the converter (just a theory of mine through what I've observed). After I changed the plugs to TR7ix and went to a 170 thermostat, I started cutting the octane boost down with the 93 tune and 91 fuel until I was down to an 1/8 of a can to a tank. With the way I drive I had zero ping so I think I must have hit on the combination that works for me. I've got new Kook green cats on the car now. Obviously pinging takes priority over the other inconveniences and orange clouds, but If I can accomplish the goal without the additives its a bonus.
Is there any E85 in Canada?
E50 has shown to have almost the same detonation resistance as E85 despite less octane (SAE paper and enthusiast testing).
So a 55 gallon drum of E98 can be used to give E50 with a half tank of pump.
Or methanol injection.
To me, either solution is better than Boostane/91 but I understand everyone opinion is different.
I feel lucky with the quality E85 we have, hopefully for a long time.
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Is there any E85 in Canada?
E50 has shown to have almost the same detonation resistance as E85 despite less octane (SAE paper and enthusiast testing).
So a 55 gallon drum of E98 can be used to give E50 with a half tank of pump.
Or methanol injection.
To me, either solution is better than Boostane/91 but I understand everyone opinion is different.
I feel lucky with the quality E85 we have, hopefully for a long time.
-J
Hey man my 2013 “suppliment plug gap” says .033 - .037 , since Im still bone stock at this point, Im gonna use the TR6IX at .035 to split the difference. Is this best? Seems like the more you read the more opinions vary. But also most have had mods done already. Again Im still stock and just want to check/freshen up my plugs. Thanks!
 

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First, stock plugs are heat range 7 so the TR7ix a better choice. I run more boost and a tighter gap 0.026 but you’ll be fine at 32, I wouldn’t go higher personally.
Last question why stock? :)
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