Bullitt Mustang - $50k - How the Duck do people afford crap?

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Who in their right mind wants to sit on a roof on a 100 degree day for $10/hr when you can work in walmart stocking shelves in the A/C for $9/hr with benefits?

These guys

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Exactly. It also depends on the industry. Some knowledge is best learned on the job, while other knowledge is ideal in a classroom setting. Foundation is important, but when 50% of the classes I took for an engineering degree were filler-fluff, I questioned what I was paying for.

That's why I am a huge advocate of internships. With few exceptions, every intern I have trained has gone on to be successful. What they didn't realize was that success was theirs before they took the internship- the opportunity just helped them realize what they were capable of, gain confidence in the real-world setting, and connect the dots between the classroom and industry. Seeing the difference between a day-1 intern and a 6-month intern is rewarding. I've even gotten a few thank-you letters from people I trained over 8 years ago, who were well in their career. That really made my day.
I contribute 99% of my last 9 years of "success" to my 5 session Co Op. It did exactly what you stated. Helped me apply some of my learnings, understand the business/job, and gain confidence to enter the workforce. Fortunately for me, I was able to get hired by the company after I graduated. Several of our upper management, and even a VP or two, started out as interns or Co Ops. One is now the president of a sister company.

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Please tell me more about what good benefits I'm not getting.

typo, post got cut off for some reason.. I was not addressing you directly

what i meant to say that you are not getting good benefits at the vast majority of the home builders and small contracting companies in SC and probably the southeast in general.
 

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Having a degree isn’t just about that piece of paper that you hang on your wall. It shows accountability. It shows an ability to finish what you start. It shows a level of drive. An ability to learn. I could continue, but you get my point. All of those sorts of traits are important in any field. Including the trades.

Have you taken any college courses recently? The way some courses weight grades as long as you do the homework and show up to class you almost can't fail. My first degree had a few classes like this. My second degree had more than I would like to admit. Quite frankly some of the recent grads I've seen seem to solidify that idea. I think STEM still holds fairly true to your thinking but even then I believe its starting slip. I believe colleges are more worried about how much money they are pulling in more than the quality of the education. Make the classes easier so kids keep going and paying tuition. FYI I'm an engineer.

Speaking of degrees I had a teacher in a humanities class that had two masters and a bachelors that taught part time and......was a manager at a CVS.
 

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I contribute 99% of my last 9 years of "success" to my 5 session Co Op. It did exactly what you stated. Helped me apply some of my learnings, understand the business/job, and gain confidence to enter the workforce. Fortunately for me, I was able to get hired by the company after I graduated. Several of our upper management, and even a VP or two, started out as interns or Co Ops. One is now the president of a sister company.

Exactly. I didn't have an internship per-say, but it was close enough to count. During my sophomore year of college, I was offered a part time job that quickly turned full-time at a medical device company. That experience on top of college was not only an eye opener but set the path for my career going forward.

It's rewarding to see people grow and gain confidence in their abilities.
 

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Have you taken any college courses recently? The way some courses weight grades as long as you do the homework and show up to class you almost can't fail. My first degree had a few classes like this. My second degree had more than I would like to admit. Quite frankly some of the recent grads I've seen seem to solidify that idea. I think STEM still holds fairly true to your thinking but even then I believe its starting slip. I believe colleges are more worried about how much money they are pulling in more than the quality of the education. Make the classes easier so kids keep going and paying tuition. FYI I'm an engineer.

Speaking of degrees I had a teacher in a humanities class that had two masters and a bachelors that taught part time and......was a manager at a CVS.

What colleges, and even High Schools, need to be doing is giving kids some education on real-world things to help them understand how things really work. Just like the confusion of some on here how 401K's work. Teach classes on retirement, Roths, etc. In addition, how freaking car loans and mortgages work! We have an intern that asked me why I made the comment one day of trying to pay my house off faster. I told him to save on the interest over time. His reply, "What do you mean? Like, if I buy a car for $10,000 and interest is 4%, I just owe $10,400 total." Um, wrong buddy, that's how tax works, not interest. He was floored when I showed him how it really works.
 

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For anybody that says " oh you need a college degree"

Two words.

Oil industry

Thousands of jobs that make more money than many college graduates

We had a guy leave a few years back to pursue and off-short drilling job. He claimed he makes $150k a year to work 2 months. But, the two months are brutal.
 

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How does one get into these "oil jobs"?


One of the big issues with Oil and Gas is the industry is very cyclical. Lots of open jobs paying good money with tons of over time, followed by lengthy lay offs. The other issue is the locations are often in desolate wastelands of America, the Dakotas, Alaska, off shore, etc.
 

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Im back in the oil field. It's a rough ride. It's feast or famine. IMO if you cant swing a 4 year note comfortably, you dont need that vehicle. The hell with a 5-600 note for 6-7 years.
 

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Have you taken any college courses recently? The way some courses weight grades as long as you do the homework and show up to class you almost can't fail. My first degree had a few classes like this. My second degree had more than I would like to admit. Quite frankly some of the recent grads I've seen seem to solidify that idea. I think STEM still holds fairly true to your thinking but even then I believe its starting slip. I believe colleges are more worried about how much money they are pulling in more than the quality of the education. Make the classes easier so kids keep going and paying tuition. FYI I'm an engineer.

Speaking of degrees I had a teacher in a humanities class that had two masters and a bachelors that taught part time and......was a manager at a CVS.

Well I can’t speak to your college experience. I graduated over a decade ago. All I can really add is that it’s up to the individual to get what they want out of whatever course they’re taking. You can skate by doing the bare minimum, or you can give it a real effort. It might not make a difference in college, but that kind of effort certainly shows in the real world. It’s real obvious in our line of work. And you’ll get called out quick if you’re one of those types.

Speaking to the women with two masters while working two jobs. I’d say that I don’t know her financial situation. Perhaps she’s supporting a family member or needs more money than her teaching job is offering for some other reason. I know lots of teachers with second jobs. Hell in the Bay Area they recently released an article that said 117k a yr for a family was considered low income in like three different counties. I’d bet there’s a lot of second jobs just to pay the bills. Hell, I commute about 50 miles each way to work in order to be in a position where I’m not house poor and am able to support my family. Either way, that hardly proves that a degree is useless. There’s exceptions to just about everything out there. My statement was addressing a broader idea.
 

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So, I received this today...

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No thanks.
I don't care what vehicle I purchase, I plan on negotiating for well under MSRP. Having the newest toy no longer interests me. If a dealer wants a sale from me, they need to be willing to negotiate. There are a lot of cars on the market I would love to have, but they are not a necessity.

If a dealer is not willing to move on their price, I will wait for the car I want to be sold by a private seller that has already taken the hit on depreciation. This also gives me time to truly decide whether or not I want the vehicle.

Some cars will fall into a special group, and could appreciate, or hold a solid value. That is a very rare circumstance though.


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Like I said, true for some, not for all. I personally know people that raised their kids to follow them in trades work and it wasn't because of a family business. I also personally know retired trades workers that are enjoying a pretty damn good retirement.
The paint and body industry was shoved down my throat until the day I moved out of my parent's home. My dad made sure I knew every detail of the job.

I hated the automotive body repair industry. However, the education of hard knocks set me up with skills and an education that cannot be acquired in school. You have to get your hands dirty.

There are very few skilled people in this trade today. I see a lot of terrible repair jobs on the road due to a lack of talent and knowledge. Horrible jobs are also delivered because the business is worried more about quantity over quality.

Most of the guys working in hot, dusty, chemical filled environments of a body shop are poorly paid in relation to the work they do, and for the tools they must own and maintain.

As technology evolves, many of the tools used need to be added to. This is another hit on the tradesman's paycheck.

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