Asking for opinions on a supercharger...

[D1STRRBD]

I'm going from stage 1 straight into stage 3...right now my car has the typical bolt ons CAI, H pipe and cat back it has been dyno'd and runs real nice. But, like most of us it is never enough. So this spring I have decided to skip stage 2 and go straight to stage 3. Currently I have in my garage long tubes and a throttle body waiting to go on. I am in the process of ordering a centrifugal SC. I'm deciding between the Vortech V3 and the Paxton novi 2220 SI. I would like as much input from you guys on which is the better kit. I'm leaning towards the Vortech.

I am also ordering Roush or MSD boost a pump, Ford Racing 60lbs injectors and Ford Racing 0 heat range plugs.

Reason I'm going with the Centi is pure personal preference on the look.


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[WIST2013GT]

I don't think either is "better" than the other. Its the same company. The Paxton is bigger and will make more power overall, but both will make enough to ruin the stock motor.

 

[D1STRRBD]

I don't think either is "better" than the other. Its the same company. The Paxton is bigger and will make more power overall, but both will make enough to ruin the stock motor.

Thanks I just want decent reliable power 550-575 wheel. My car is a daily driver.


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[PC03GT]

Shouldn't be a problem with either of them, if you have an m82 you'll be over 600 easy

 

[D1STRRBD]

Shouldn't be a problem with either of them, if you have an m82 you'll be over 600 easy

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[D1STRRBD]

Never mind guys...I talked to my dyno guy and he hates centrifugals...my buddy also said there is a reason the factories do not use centrifugals...So I decided to do it the right way and get the VMP phase one 715hp kit.


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[gimmie11s]

Hmm. Care to let us know why the factories dont use them?

Save yourself the cash and buy a v3 Vortech. You'll save at least $2k over the VMP setup all in and car will be just as fast.

Not a hater on TVS set ups at all.. its the direction im going with my GT500, but to say the the Centri is no good because the factory doesn't use it is lame and uninformed.

 

[D1STRRBD]

Why do you think the factories do not use them over the twin screws? Could it be the reliability factor? Just do a search between the two.

For you to state I am lame and misinformed is further from the truth. I never said the Centrifugals are no good because the factories don't use them. You assumed that. My dyno guy (Pete Johnson of Performance Dyno) said he hates them. His exact words were, they are a pain in the ass to tune. My buddy one of the most knowledgeable mechanics when it comes to Mustangs and force induction that I know. Told me the factories do not use them for a reason. Those were not my words. Both those guy are professionals and I will listen them for sure. I wanted the V3 because I liked the look but after doing research and talking to some smart car guys. The TVS is the way to go.

As for the reliability of the centrifugal. I know a guy who put a Paxton 2200 on his 2013 it took 3 weeks of dyno trips to iron it out. It cost him $1600. So even if the centrifugal cost $2000 less. Chances are you will lose the savings getting it tuned.

Typical of a GT500 owner to start shit and insult someone. Then tell them how to save money on a build.

I got news for you...Your GT500 is nothing more than a Mustang with very expensive badging built side by side with all other Mustangs. You could have saved $15000 if you would have bought a base model 5.0 and modded the crap out of it.

Have a good day sir!



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[Famine]

Aed does state theyre a pita to tune. You will be happy with the vmp, trust me. Make sure you have 331s and a good tire/suspension setup.

 

[Famine]

But also op, gimmie11s did have a supercharged 5.0 before the gt500. Just an fyi.

 

[Mojo88]

Good move going from Centri to PD. PD blower will have more torque at low-end and thus be way better for everyday driver. On the street, torque is what makes a car feel fast.

 

[WIST2013GT]

FWIW as far as tuning goes, AED (Shaun) tuned my car remotely using street tuning. I did 4 logs total, drove it to the track and ran 10s.

If you take the time and do everything right the first time, tuning should not be an issue.

 

[Famine]

FWIW as far as tuning goes, AED (Shaun) tuned my car remotely using street tuning. I did 4 logs total, drove it to the track and ran 10s.

If you take the time and do everything right the first time, tuning should not be an issue.

That may be, but it doesnt negate the fact that he said it in an email to me due to the fact that its impossible to get an exact signal from the maf. You can get it dialed in close enough but the readings have tons of spikes in it. There are threads out there regarding this.

Heres an old post from aed.
Paxton drivability questions

 

[krhonn]

I've got the Paxton on my car and haven't had an issue with anything. I had a different tuner and it was an email tune. Simple data pulls was all it took. Jumped on a dyno a few weeks later and put down 638. Car drives fine with no problems. I agree as far as the torque not being as strong but as far as everything else mentioned I can disagree with because of personal experience.


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[imeyers302]

Mustang shops tend to lean one way or the other so take what they say with a grain of salt. Two big shops around here. One hates Procharger and does not like tuning them. Loves Vortech/Paxton and tunes them all them time. The other shop is a procharger dealer and pushes them and tunes them regularly. All depends what you want. Can't go wrong with either one. High rpm rush or down low torque. All the kits are reliable. Manufactures go with PD blowers because of their packaging. Less tubes, connectors, clamps, etc for something to loosen up and cause an issue... but they also install those PD blowers on cars that have engines built for supercharging like the GT500, where they are built to handle the low rpm full boost load of the PD blower all day long. A centri blower is much easier on the engine and drives dead stock below about 3,500 rpm. Boost builds with RPM so it's easier to put the power down, and it will just keep pulling harder and harder until you hit whatever your set max rpm is. First full pull with the procharger I had tire spin at the top of third gear.

With the procharger kit I was able to install it in my garage very easily, tuning was remotely done and car drives phenomenal and pulls insanely hard.

That being said I do sometimes wonder what more torque down low would do but to be honest with the MT82 and 3.73s you are into boost so quick that it does not matter unless you are lugging the engine in a high gear.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

I guess you could say we swing both ways on this topic. Both Centri and PD set ups can be good depending on your goals. We generally do more PD installs, but we don't shy away from centri installs by any means. We offer a budget blower set up that has seen alot of interest recently purely based on a sub-$6k install price.

 

[D1STRRBD]

I do appreciate all the feed back good, bad and indifferent. I take it all in stride. I came here to ask opinions on the centrifugals and was working my own research as well. It did not take long to understand the TVS is the best choice for my car even though I like the looks of the centrifugal. Thanks again for all the info guys.


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[gimmie11s]

Why do you think the factories do not use them over the twin screws? Could it be the reliability factor? Just do a search between the two.

For you to state I am lame and misinformed is further from the truth. I never said the Centrifugals are no good because the factories don't use them. You assumed that. My dyno guy (Pete Johnson of Performance Dyno) said he hates them. His exact words were, they are a pain in the ass to tune. My buddy one of the most knowledgeable mechanics when it comes to Mustangs and force induction that I know. Told me the factories do not use them for a reason. Those were not my words. Both those guy are professionals and I will listen them for sure. I wanted the V3 because I liked the look but after doing research and talking to some smart car guys. The TVS is the way to go.

As for the reliability of the centrifugal. I know a guy who put a Paxton 2200 on his 2013 it took 3 weeks of dyno trips to iron it out. It cost him $1600. So even if the centrifugal cost $2000 less. Chances are you will lose the savings getting it tuned.

Typical of a GT500 owner to start shit and insult someone. Then tell them how to save money on a build.

I got news for you...Your GT500 is nothing more than a Mustang with very expensive badging built side by side with all other Mustangs. You could have saved $15000 if you would have bought a base model 5.0 and modded the crap out of it.

Have a good day sir!



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LOL. youre a smart one arent you. I owned a 2014 GT with a Paxton and that car would RAPE my current GT500 that is making about 550 whp.

The Centri is soft down low compared to a PD.. nonsense. See what i just wrote above.

Lund or AED tune some of the fastest Centri cars in the mustang world. it can be done and is done every day.


Its your money partner... waste it however you want.

FWIW as far as tuning goes, AED (Shaun) tuned my car remotely using street tuning. I did 4 logs total, drove it to the track and ran 10s.

If you take the time and do everything right the first time, tuning should not be an issue.

Not possible! The factory doesnt use Centri's so they must suck.

 

[D1STRRBD]

I guess you could say we swing both ways on this topic. Both Centri and PD set ups can be good depending on your goals. We generally do more PD installs, but we don't shy away from centri installs by any means. We offer a budget blower set up that has seen alot of interest recently purely based on a sub-$6k install price.

Is that sub $6K complete plus install and tuned??? If so to bad your not closer me. After my discount through LMR or AM (I still have not decided who to purchase from) and with the purchase of a boost a pump, plugs dyno tune and doing the install myself with help from my buddy. I'll be into it for about $6800 total. I guess $6800 is not to bad for a TVS setup.


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[_Snake_]

Based on your hp and fiscal goals, buy a centri and skip the BAP and injectors. My 2013 with a P1 Procharger safely made 550 rwhp without either of those.