Who cares? This isn't the 60's anymore. HP is only part of the battle and in this day and time it's easy to make. This cars about to get reamed in every performance oriented way other than maybe HP when the new Alpha platform based Camaro drops. Mark my words. Don't get me wrong it will be a good performing car, and noticeably better performing car than the current Mustang, but it's going to get bettered by the next Camaro when talking equivalent models as the Alpha platform is just too lightweight, balanced and good for a S197 based platform Mustang to compete with, especially if it gets a MR suspension on it.
It makes me hark back to the 90's/early 2000's when when Fbodies were killing Mustangs performance, and Ford was in the habit of using old platforms to build new models on, and budgeting heavily on their suspension design/setup.
So the Performance Pack cars are getting 275 rear tires? Whooptie mother F'in doo. I just need to switch camps because this shit just gets me too pissed off that Ford doesn't really care if Camaro outperforms Mustang.
Who cares? This isn't the 60's anymore. HP is only part of the battle and in this day and time it's easy to make. This cars about to get reamed in every performance oriented way other than maybe HP when the new Alpha platform based Camaro drops. Mark my words. Don't get me wrong it will be a good performing car, and noticeably better performing car than the current Mustang, but it's going to get bettered by the next Camaro when talking equivalent models as the Alpha platform is just too lightweight, balanced and good for a S197 based platform Mustang to compete with, especially if it gets a MR suspension on it.
It makes me hark back to the 90's/early 2000's when when Fbodies were killing Mustangs performance, and Ford was in the habit of using old platforms to build new models on, and budgeting heavily on their suspension design/setup.
So the Performance Pack cars are getting 275 rear tires? Whooptie mother F'in doo. I just need to switch camps because this shit just gets me too pissed off that Ford doesn't really care if Camaro outperforms Mustang.
275 rear tires for the GT. The GT500 comes with a 295 tire. Still smaller, but expect the new generation to have a wider tire. Especially since the ass end is 1.5 inches wider. If the GT is supposed to be able to beat the Boss around the corners do you really not think the GT500 wont be up there as well? I have no doubt in my mind that the new GT500 will compete with the big dogs such as the new Z06 and GT-R. The camaro ZL1 will be a thing of the past.
Oh no it's going to better the current Mustangs performance on doubt about it. It's just going to get outclassed by its main competition. If the Z/28 is truly averaging about 4 seconds a lap faster than a Boss 302 LS then no it won't be a thing of the past at least in terms of being some underdog. Besides it wears 305's up front, and the Alpha platform Camaro is sure to be leaps and bounds better than the current Camaro's platform. One of the biggest issues of a S197 platform is it doesn't house much tire for a performance car of it's size, and Ford seems more interested in promoting how many golf bags it's new Mustangs trunk will hold more than they do about how much more tire the new Mustang will house. I don't see it hold very much more tire than the current Mustang. The biggest tire a S197 Mustang wears from Ford is a 285, and 1.5" = 38.1mm so an extra 20mm a side would equal 305's assuming the spread of the inner wheel wells is the same. You can look at the lines of the cars in the picture. Look at where the bumper covers mount to the rearend, or the mirror's, etc, etc. It's just a refreshed S197.
I would love the car if it wasn't for Camaro. I mean it's going to be a very good performer, it's just not going to as good a performer as it's number 1 rival. GM has a great desire to better Mustangs performance, and Ford just doesn't have that same desire to try and beat Camaro's performance.
It's not surprising. This is traditional Ford. They give you a chassis that's good enough to compete it Camaro's, and then they give you a much inferior suspension setup. They always budget on their suspension setups. Look at the Foxbodies 4link. What a POS they don't want to spend for a panhard bar so they offset the upper control arm, and it worked like crap. Then look at the Foxbodies front suspension. While it worked better than the rear it was far from and it was primitive, outdated, and poorly place. Look at the Twin I-beams on the older F150's, and SD's. Hell will it worked well enough the S197's suspension is simple, not the greatest, and it's a budget setup. Ford should of shrunk the size of the car with a new platform, and they should of given it a traditional sports car suspension setup and not this cheap, hokey looking setup they're using on this car. Ford seems to like to place themselves in a underdog position, and then work real hard to massage something to work well, and then brag about it when they do a decent job.
I agree that tire size has always been an issue with past mustangs, especially the current GT500. This is a completely revised suspension on the new mustang. Front and Back. Its going to handle. As for the Z/28 beating the boss, I sure hope it does. You realize that its going to cost around 85k. To compare that to a 45K car is pretty crazy. Yet the GT500 is within a few seconds to it on the Nurburgring and only costs 65K? With safety standards there was no way the car is getting smaller. Camaro as well. It wont happen.
The sad thing is when talking Mustang Ford tries to better themselves where GM tries to better Ford and that's why Camaro is traditional a better performance car than Mustang.
Ok, so the 15 GT (while obviously a large improvement over the outgoing GT and boss) isn't good enough because it's going to get smoked by the z/28 which will cost twice as much. Got it. SVT has no Z/28 competitor and the platform is a failure because it is still compromised to support a 22-24K low end configuration that accounts for the majority of its sales therefor funding and justifying the development of the hipo models. Thanks for showing me the light.
Well now your just being a smart ass and taking what I'm saying totally out of context.
I've bled blue my whole life, but basically it boils down to this if I'm honest with myself. Ford is just not a performance car company where GM very much is so. Ford is a truck company which is great, and the F-Series line is the best trucks, and I have no doubt that the next F150 will better the new GM twins. As far as performance cars go Ford could care less about anything but sales where GM take pride in trying to best it's competition. This is a sad truth for Ford enthusiast. The problem is it's not working for them as Camaro sale dominate Mustang sale. The thing I hate complaining about is is that Mustang is very good even in it's current forum, the problem is is that it's just not as good(performance wise) as it's main competition. Ford need to realize that Mustang is it's only legit performance car. GM is about to have 2 performance cars that best it's very best. That is not good to let your main rival do that. It's been know that the next Camaro will be Alpha platform based, and Fords had enough time to study it attributes. Ford is half stepping with this car. Ford is not in a financial hole. They should of started fresh instead of using a old, heavy platform as the basic for a new 50th Anniversary car. They need to quit worrying about the passengers, and cargo space, and whatnot if this is their performance car. Performance cars are about compromising other aspects in the name of performance, and if the car will hold 2 golf bags in the trunk then a true performance enthusiast(who Ford needs to worry about more than non brand loyal golfers) could give a shit. I doubt people buying GTR's really give 2 shits whether the trunk will hold 2 golf bags.
Y'all keep talking about the Z/28 being a better track car than a Mustang and that it should be. Well yeah it very much should be, but a SS with a 1LE package that doesn't even use MR suspension is a faster lapping car the a Boss 302 LS. And I guarantee that the Gen6 Camaro will be much better than a Gen5.
Look y'all I apologize. Y'all want to love the new Mustang and you should. I'm sure it's a very nice car that will be noticeably improved on. I love Mustang and I desire for them to be so good. I loved the 03/04 Cobra when they came out because they bested their Chevy competition the same way they did with the 2011 GT, and 2012 Boss 302, but I just know this car is going to be inferior to the next model Camaro's performance and I don't see it getting best in terms of potential until a total platform redesign. I feel it in my bones. It's not even a question in my mind. Like I said for Ford to compete competitively with the next Camaro's performance then they needed to start fresh, they needed to shrink the car, and they need to understand that a performance vehicle is about compromising all other thing in the sake of performance.
It makes me hark back to the 90's/early 2000's when when Fbodies were killing Mustangs performance, and Ford was in the habit of using old platforms to build new models on, and budgeting heavily on their suspension design/setup.