To ADM or not, that is the question!

[imevil1]

I have never paid an ADM on a new vehicle but I am starting to hear a lot of buzz about dealers wanting ADM for the initial allocations and ordered units.

I would like to know what kinds of deals people are finding when ordering the GT500:

1. ADM over MSRP
2. MSRP
3. Invoice or under MSRP

For buyers in category 2 & 3, can you list your dealer and contact so we can support these dealers and possibly get them more buyers and more deals for SVT members?

Since this thread turned into a debate about how much money dealers make on new car sales, I figured I'd bump it with the OP's first post.

I tried to order a 2012 (Z plan) last year, but missed the mark and the order was kicked back. The same dealer now wants $20K ADM on a 2013.

Can anyone who has found #2 or #3 share the info? I've put a couple of calls out and haven't heard back yet; and I'm sure that there are lots of others here in the same position.

 

[ON D BIT]

The only leverage available are the higher priced better performing vehicles(z06/z07, gtr, used 997 turbo, etc) and competition between the dealers.

Purchase from the first dealer that gives me msrp may work, buying a different vehicle(better performance similar price) should work better. The dealers should be smart enough to know that there are not 10k people with the funds that want a car like this. If the people that do have the funds and do want a car like this start going to the competition who will be left to purchase the gt500's for 65k/75k/85k that they are asking? Get this point across to the smart dealers and you could be able to negotiate with them.

Call the small dealers, I have always found them to give a much better deal. Offer a fair deal(msrp) and see if they bite. Don't go in talking invoice unless its invoice plus 4k. Even the small dealers will know that the 13 gt500 will not be found at invoice pricing!

 

[7t7ta400]

i will not pay over msrp for any car i was at donley ford in ( SHELBY OHIO ) they had a new 2012 knock out red california special convertible for $5000.00 off & new 2012 black gt 500 convertible svt pp and more for $ 10000.00 less than a 2013 equalbility equipped

 

[speedrx]

I talked to one dealer who ordered several GT500's over their allocation, the orders were accepted, it will be interested to see if they are built with the initial allocations, queued up after initial allocations, or canceled.

 

[monsterpost]

My dealer must be one of them that are dealing; they sure gave me a GREAT price. They already have deposits down for three 13's. I have been told they usually get 2 to 3 Shelbys a year from Ford. So I would think they have probably sold their allotment for the year. I put my money down two weeks ago and I was number 2, a week later the 3rd guy put his deposit down I. really thought I would have to travel to find a good deal and it turned up right here in my hometown; go figure.

 

[Devious_Snake]

I talked to one dealer who ordered several GT500's over their allocation, the orders were accepted, it will be interested to see if they are built with the initial allocations, queued up after initial allocations, or canceled.

I think thats more likely

My dealer must be one of them that are dealing; they sure gave me a GREAT price. They already have deposits down for three 13's. I have been told they usually get 2 to 3 Shelbys a year from Ford. So I would think they have probably sold their allotment for the year. I put my money down two weeks ago and I was number 2, a week later the 3rd guy put his deposit down I. really thought I would have to travel to find a good deal and it turned up right here in my hometown; go figure.

:beer:

 

[Lemers]

There is no allotment for the year. Only the first allocation. Then dealers can order more.

The GT500s won't be a separate run. They will be built on the same a production line as the GTs. Meaning that if a GT500 is ordered they can built at their leisure. Not wait for a production run of GT500s.

 

[speedrx]

There is no allotment for the year. Only the first allocation. Then dealers can order more.

The GT500s won't be a separate run. They will be built on the same a production line as the GTs. Meaning that if a GT500 is ordered they can built at their leisure. Not wait for a production run of GT500s.

Are the 5.8L SVT engines also mass built along with the 5.0's, etc or still hand built by SVT? That could be the limiting factor for Shelby's being built at their leisure, they may have to stock up on engines and build a batch of GT500's together.

 

[Lemers]

Are the 5.8L SVT engines also mass built along with the 5.0's, etc or still hand built by SVT? That could be the limiting factor for Shelby's being built at their leisure, they may have to stock up on engines and build a batch of GT500's together.

Good point about the engine being a limiting factor over the entire run. But I'm sure that ford started building them as soon as they stopped building the 5.4s so I'm sure they are ahead on the engines at the moment.

 

[Go-Fast]

Since this thread turned into a debate about how much money dealers make on new car sales, I figured I'd bump it with the OP's first post.

I tried to order a 2012 (Z plan) last year, but missed the mark and the order was kicked back. The same dealer now wants $20K ADM on a 2013.

Can anyone who has found #2 or #3 share the info? I've put a couple of calls out and haven't heard back yet; and I'm sure that there are lots of others here in the same position.

Don't call them ahead of time. Just walk into the dealership like my wife and I did, and tell them you would like to order a new Shelby, and ask what kind of price would they give you of MSRP? I think that we surprised them when we said we where ready to buy right then and there!!! Even when no prices available!!!

Went to another dealer before the dealer we bought at, and he told us he would sell us a Shelby for $1000.00 over MSRP, which probably isn't that bad a deal.... Would not feel right if I paid over MSRP though!!! So we moved on to the next dealer that same day!!!

Yes, we where on a mission to buy a new Shelby Mustang that day!!! :beer:

Not saying this will work at every dealer, but its certainly worth a try!!!

You need to catch the right dealer off guard, by just walking in ready to buy if the price is right!!! As others have said, try the smaller dealers first, as I think you will have a much better chance.

Hope this helps.

 

[speedrx]

Don't call them ahead of time. Just walk into the dealership like my wife and I did, and tell them you would like to order a new Shelby, and ask what kind of price would they give you of MSRP? I think that we surprised them when we said we where ready to buy right then and there!!! Even when no prices available!!!

Went to another dealer before the dealer we bought at, and he told us he would sell us a Shelby for $1000.00 over MSRP, which probably isn't that bad a deal.... Would not feel right if I paid over MSRP though!!! So we moved on to the next dealer that same day!!!

Yes, we where on a mission to buy a new Shelby Mustang that day!!! :beer:

Not saying this will work at every dealer, but its certainly worth a try!!!

You need to catch the right dealer off guard, by just walking in ready to buy if the price is right!!! As others have said, try the smaller dealers first, as I think you will have a much better chance.

Hope this helps.

Good info. If everyone laughs at these dealers asking ADM's, it will end and a normal car buying process will follow (if there is such a thing). Some dealers are still sitting on 2012's with a ADM attached to them - good grief!:shrug:

 

[Lemers]

The longer they hold 2012s the more of a discount they are going to take.

 

[Shaker1]

No! If there are 2k units sitting on lots across the country with dealer adm's(the reason they are sitting) and Ford has another 1500 people that want to purchase at msrp or below, Ford will not build these cars unless your dealer has original allocation left!
Why would Ford build another 1500 units when there are 2000 units sitting on lots unsold?

Are you saying that if I go to my local dealer who has sold his allocation of cars and order a GT500 optioned my way, that Ford will not build it because other dealers across the country have cars on their lots languishing with ridiculous ADMs and won't budge? Because Ford is saying they will build as many as people want.

Correct me if I am wrong, but those dealers that have cars sitting OWN them, they are no longer Fords problem directly. Also, which model years since 2008 have they run out of GT500 before demand fell off?

ADMs are simply an "impatience tax". It works because people believe that allocations represent all the cars that will be built (not true) and that there is more demand than supply (rarely true). Allocation is how they distribute cars while building supply. And 2007 is the only year I know of where demand might've outstripped supply.

 

[Shaker1]

There is no allotment for the year. Only the first allocation. Then dealers can order more.

The GT500s won't be a separate run. They will be built on the same a production line as the GTs. Meaning that if a GT500 is ordered they can built at their leisure. Not wait for a production run of GT500s.

Agreed.

 

[Venimus]

Same thing happened back in 2003 when the Terminator first came out. I remember my boss wanted to get one when they first went on sale and there were some hefty ADM's. Within 6 months dealers were starting to discount them off of MSRP. Just be patient and you can get one for much less. I would bet 6 months is going to be what it takes again in 2013.

 

[speedrx]

Same thing happened back in 2003 when the Terminator first came out. I remember my boss wanted to get one when they first went on sale and there were some hefty ADM's. Within 6 months dealers were starting to discount them off of MSRP. Just be patient and you can get one for much less. I would bet 6 months is going to be what it takes again in 2013.

I agree, these wil cool off like almost every car before it, people who are patient and don't fall for the initial ADM asks will be rewarded with a good deal. The combination of gas prices and the economy could make this happen quicker than normal.

 

[Lemers]

If the market "cools" that much, some early purchasers may still paying the ADM by the time I buy on new under MSRP.

 

[91svtbird]

If the market "cools" that much, some early purchasers may still paying the ADM by the time I buy on new under MSRP.

The way this car has been priced by FMCO there simply is no room for ADM's. Sure there will be a few buyers out there who could care less about how much they spend....they just want to be the first to have this car and money is not an issue with them. The majority of Mustang buyers do not fit into that category.

If Ford indeed wants to and does build as many cars as they have buyers for (like they said they would do) then the dealers will have to be reasonable and make deals like they do with any other top of the line car in their lineup. It's a no brainer for dealers to take a reasonable offer for an "order".....after all it's only costing them a few minutes of paperwork. The car will never spend any time on their lot, once it is delivered to them it will be picked up by the new owner who ordered it. Why would the pass up on a $2-3000 profit for just a few minutes of paperwork....?

The problem we have here is, it is in the dealers best interest to make it look like there is a shortage of these cars just so they could jack-up the cost and make a killing on the first wave of orders.( there is actually some truth "initial shortage" problem because engines have to be built and other vendors need to bring up their inventory's)
Dealers also want to take the first ones delivered and put them on the showroom floor so they could take even more orders. They know very well that as time goes on things will settle down and sales will drop if the prices remain high. It's just the way the game is played.

I will wait if I have to but I refuse to pay MSRP or above. I'd rather pass on buying one at all if that is the case.....it's a matter of principle.

This is not a limited production vehicle.

 

[bpmurr]

The way this car has been priced by FMCO there simply is no room for ADM's. Sure there will be a few buyers out there who could care less about how much they spend....they just want to be the first to have this car and money is not an issue with them. The majority of Mustang buyers do not fit into that category.

If Ford indeed wants to and does build as many cars as they have buyers for (like they said they would do) then the dealers will have to be reasonable and make deals like they do with any other top of the line car in their lineup. It's a no brainer for dealers to take a reasonable offer for an "order".....after all it's only costing them a few minutes of paperwork. The car will never spend any time on their lot, once it is delivered to them it will be picked up by the new owner who ordered it. Why would the pass up on a $2-3000 profit for just a few minutes of paperwork....?

The problem we have here is, it is in the dealers best interest to make it look like there is a shortage of these cars just so they could jack-up the cost and make a killing on the first wave of orders.( there is actually some truth "initial shortage" problem because engines have to be built and other vendors need to bring up their inventory's)
Dealers also want to take the first ones delivered and put them on the showroom floor so they could take even more orders. They know very well that as time goes on things will settle down and sales will drop if the prices remain high. It's just the way the game is played.

I will wait if I have to but I refuse to pay MSRP or above. I'd rather pass on buying one at all if that is the case.....it's a matter of principle.

This is not a limited production vehicle.

It's not just the dealers it's the Ford regional reps causing the ADM scare as well. I just got a call from the GM of a Ford dealer I'm friends with. He said the Ford rep was in and they were only getting one car. That she said the other dealers in the Maryland area were pricing it around $9500 over sticker. I said that's nuts and he agreed it didn't sound right. The bottom line is it's just not the dealers that are guilty. It's the reps running around spreading this crap that helps feed them. It would be nice if we got an official statement from Ford as to production levels.

I think what I'm going to do for now is buy a 2013 Boss at invoice and then trade for a 2013 GT500 down the road when the market softens. The Boss seems to be holding it's value extremely well at auction.

 

[91svtbird]

It's not just the dealers it's the Ford regional reps causing the ADM scare as well. I just got a call from the GM of a Ford dealer I'm friends with. He said the Ford rep was in and they were only getting one car. That she said the other dealers in the Maryland area were pricing it around $9500 over sticker. I said that's nuts and he agreed it didn't sound right. The bottom line is it's just not the dealers that are guilty. It's the reps running around spreading this crap that helps feed them. It would be nice if we got an official statement from Ford as to production levels.

I think what I'm going to do for now is buy a 2013 Boss at invoice and then trade for a 2013 GT500 down the road when the market softens. The Boss seems to be holding it's value extremely well at auction.

Maybe it's Ford's way of giving back something to it's dealerships. If so this will pass in time once the factory has built the initial 5000 units.....like I said I'll wait it out.