Wtf gas?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[da5deuce]

In the city of Lakewood California I seen 4.99 for premium, my jaw dropped LITERALLY. I personally never thought I would see anything over 4.50 EVER, but dann that took the cake. 4.99 really.....really....really, and I actually seen this this past saturday so its still fresh in my mind like a bad dream.

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[G04cobra]

In the city of Lakewood California I seen 4.99 for premium, my jaw dropped LITERALLY. I personally never thought I would see anything over 4.50 EVER, but dann that took the cake. 4.99 really.....really....really, and I actually seen this this past saturday so its still fresh in my mind like a bad dream.

Sent from compton while avoiding prostitutes, drive by's, and jehovahs witness' while using an android phone

Was that the Mobil on the corner of Lakewood and South? If so, that station is always overpriced as it sits on a prime location.

 

[boatcop1]

Well for the first time in my life all three vehicles in my family are 4cyl. My wife and I split time between an 11 Hyundai Elantra and 12 Mazdaspeed3 and my daughter is rocking the 99 Cavalier. It sucks and its a lot less fun than it used to be but we dont spend as much on gas as we used to even though 87 octane in Groton/New London Ct area is 4.02 a gal and obviously going to rise. At least the Speed3 is somewhat fun to drive:dw:

 

[cbr repsol]

4.29 for 87 & 4.50 for 91

My bronco gets 10 to 12 mpg...im winning.

 

[CobraBob]

There are multiple reasons why gas prices are climbing, and the government is limited to what it can do to help. IMO as long as we have to depend on foreign oil, and as long as speculators control the price, we're going to see the potential for increasing prices at the pump. It was forecast earlier this month that gas prices would hit $4.50 a gallon by April, and $5.00 by summer. That is looking more and more likely. Won't take much for the price to even get higher. A scarier scenario is next winter if home heating fuel hits $5.00 a gallon or more. There will be a lot of families that will not be able to fill their tanks unless they keep their thermostats well below 60 degrees. This country has got to curtail its dependance on foreign oil. JMO.

Oh, and I just paid $3.99 a gallon at Costco yesterday for premium.

 

[da5deuce]

Was that the Mobil on the corner of Lakewood and South? If so, that station is always overpriced as it sits on a prime location.

it was on lakewood and south but the name of the gas station I dont remember but I didnt know that they were always overpriced. Never got gas there anyway. You live in the area?

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[JaysonMFK]

There are multiple reasons why gas prices are climbing, and the government is limited to what it can do to help. IMO as long as we have to depend on foreign oil, and as long as speculators control the price, we're going to see the potential for increasing prices at the pump. It was forecast earlier this month that gas prices would hit $4.50 a gallon by April, and $5.00 by summer. That is looking more and more likely. Won't take much for the price to even get higher. A scarier scenario is next winter if home heating fuel hits $5.00 a gallon or more. There will be a lot of families that will not be able to fill their tanks unless they keep their thermostats well below 60 degrees. This country has got to curtail its dependance on foreign oil. JMO.

Oh, and I just paid $3.99 a gallon at Costco yesterday for premium.

Agreed, I think others are starting to come around to this idea as well.

For you petrohead loyalists, prepare yourselves for the EV onslaught! lol

 

[NyteByte]

I hear the "Obama closed drilling" and Keystone XL argument thrown around a lot and respectfully disagree with your views.

Regarding the Keystone pipeline, Obama didn’t turn down the pipeline.

The Keystone pipeline had already been approved and work was already being done on it when Obama pulled the plug for political reasons. Please don't beleive all the lies from Obama "I stopped the pipeline because the Republicans didn't give me enough time for a proper review". The "review" had already been completed.

The high gas prices are mostly Obama's fault, no matter how hard he tries to deflect the issue and lie his way through it.

Mr. Obama, you're wrong, boosting US oil production would be huge

By Peter Morici

When Barack Obama assumed the presidency, gas prices were less than $2 a gallon. He proceeded to shut down deep-water drilling in the Gulf, tightened other federal restrictions on petroleum development, and vetoed the Keystone Pipeline. Now, even with Americans driving not a lot more than three years ago and global growth slowing, gas is nearing $4 a gallon.

The liberal theocracy in academia, the media and the Democratic Party leadership relentlessly expounds that drilling for oil in the United States won’t much affect U.S. gas prices, because petroleum prices are set in global markets. And, more domestic oil production or U.S. access to Canadian petroleum won’t much change global supplies, or the pace of economic recovery and unemployment.

Balderdash!

Oil prices paid by U.S. refineries in the Gulf do move with global prices but not in lockstep. Despite a recent reduction in U.S. refinery capacity, increasing North American production would lower refinery acquisition costs.

U.S. refineries, like others around the world, are built to handle the special characteristics of oil produced by their primary sources of supply. And gasoline produced by individual refineries is not wholly fungible either—differing fuel characteristics are required across the United States and Europe to meet environmental standards.

Although tensions with Iran are growing and pushing up oil prices everywhere, prices have diverged between, for example, U.S. and European markets.

For years, prices for West Texas Intermediate and North Sea Brent moved closely, but now WTI is selling for $17 less than its North Sea counterpart.

This indicates the U.S. market is becoming somewhat separate and less wholly determined by global conditions; hence, more domestic production and increased access to Canadian oil would lower U.S. oil and prices—more drilling in the Gulf and elsewhere in North America, and the Keystone pipeline would significantly affect gas prices and employment.

More importantly, whether Americans pay $115 a barrel for oil from Saudi Arabia and Nigeria or obtained from the Gulf of Mexico and other domestic deposits makes a huge difference.

The annual trade deficit on petroleum is about $300 billion. Raising U.S. oil production to its sustainable potential of 10 million barrels a day would cut import costs in half, directly create 1.5 million jobs, and applying administration economic models for stimulus spending, create another 1 million jobs indirectly.

Overall, attaining U.S. oil production potential would boost GDP about $250 billion. Not bad, because it could be accomplished by increasing federal revenues from royalties and reducing the federal deficit, instead of adding to it through additional stimulus spending and subsidies to questionable solar and wind projects.

Recently, the president ridiculed GOP presidential candidates for urging more domestic petroleum development stating, “Anyone who tells you we can drill our way out of this problem doesn’t know they’re talking about—or just isn’t telling you the truth.”

That’s simply not so—drilling for more oil in the United States could make a big difference.

Under Mr. Obama’s stewardship, the U.S. economy is not recovering as it should. As per usual, the president distracts public attention from poor policy choices by blaming and ridiculing others.

After three years, the president, who promised Americans millions of clean energy jobs in place of a thriving petroleum industry and much lower unemployment, should own up to his mistakes. Most Americans are needlessly paying too much for gas and foreign oil, while federally subsidized solar and wind projects are filing for bankruptcy.

This November, poor judgment and weakness of character—such as the president’s repeated attacks on the petroleum industry and failure to take responsibility for the consequences of his actions—make the most compelling case for change.

Americans should not expect a perfect president but at least one who bases decisions on facts not whimsy, and learns from mistakes.

Americans are simply not getting fact-based leadership and good judgment from President Obama.

Mr. Obama, You're Wrong, Boosting US Oil Production Would Be Huge | Fox News

 

[JaysonMFK]

The Keystone pipeline had already been approved and work was already being done on it when Obama pulled the plug for political reasons. Please don't beleive all the lies from Obama "I stopped the pipeline because the Republicans didn't give me enough time for a proper review". The "review" had already been completed.

The high gas prices are mostly Obama's fault, no matter how hard he tries to deflect the issue and lie his way through it.



Mr. Obama, You're Wrong, Boosting US Oil Production Would Be Huge | Fox News

I disagree with a lot of the arguments made in that article.

Honestly, I hate getting into a debate where I take the time to make a point, just to have someone copy and paste an article, rinse and repeat. But again, if there's a particular point in the article you find especially poignant or counter to anything I've said thus far, feel free to point it and we can discuss it.

I'm not opposed to reading any substantial postings or links, but if it's a conversation you want, please take a minute to add your on thoughts to the subject.

EDIT:

The Keystone pipeline had already been approved and work was already being done on it when Obama pulled the plug for political reasons.

Meant to respond to your first statement but got caught up with the second part, sorry.

The State Department NEVER approved the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline.

Yes work began, no it wasn't approved.

Yes it was stopped due to political pressure from environmental groups who objected to the pipeline being built over the Ogallala aquifer which supplies over 2million Americans with fresh drinking water.

Obama is at fault for consciously trying to play both sides; playing to the right by ignoring the construction, while placating the left, by never pushing for State Department approval.

 

[type911]

I disagree with a lot of the arguments made in that article.

Honestly, I hate getting into a debate where I take the time to make a point, just to have someone copy and paste an article, rinse and repeat. But again, if there's a particular point in the article you find especially poignant or counter to anything I've said thus far, feel free to point it and we can discuss it.

I'm not opposed to reading any substantial postings or links, but if it's a conversation you want, please take a minute to add your on thoughts to the subject.

EDIT:


Meant to respond to your first statement but got caught up with the second part, sorry.

The State Department NEVER approved the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline.

Yes work began, no it wasn't approved.

Yes it was stopped due to political pressure from environmental groups who objected to the pipeline being built over the Ogallala aquifer which supplies over 2million Americans with fresh drinking water.

Obama is at fault for consciously trying to play both sides; playing to the right by ignoring the construction, while placating the left, by never pushing for State Department approval.

Did you know that area already has numerous aging and in poor condition pipelines that keystone would replace. This was pure politics and nothing more.

 

[JaysonMFK]

Did you know that area already has numerous aging and in poor condition pipelines that keystone would replace.

Did not know that as a fact, not very surprising considering the size of the Ogallala reservoir, however.

Either way thanks for pointing it out, you may be on to something. I'll definitely look up some information in that regard.

I do know that the tar sands oil is amongst the dirtiest and carbon-intensive fuels on earth, and a spill along the pipeline’s route would be catastrophic.

Somewhat troubling is that the original "state of the art" Keystone pipeline had over 14 spills in it's first year. Considering the type of material it would be transporting and over what is a very valuable part of our fresh water, I hope that if they do build the XL it will have a better track record than it's predecessor.

Again, I'd be interested to know the size and contents of the current lines running over the reservoir, and their safety records to date. It's something I hadn't considered before. So again, good point!

 

[vettez062002]

west chester pa.
$3.71 for 87
$4.09 for Diesel

 

[type911]

Did not know that as a fact, not very surprising considering the size of the Ogallala reservoir, however.

Either way thanks for pointing it out, you may be on to something. I'll definitely look up some information in that regard.

I do know that the tar sands oil is amongst the dirtiest and carbon-intensive fuels on earth, and a spill along the pipeline’s route would be catastrophic.

Somewhat troubling is that the original "state of the art" Keystone pipeline had over 14 spills in it's first year. Considering the type of material it would be transporting and over what is a very valuable part of our fresh water, I hope that if they do build the XL it will have a better track record than it's predecessor.

Again, I'd be interested to know the size and contents of the current lines running over the reservoir, and their safety records to date. It's something I hadn't considered before. So again, good point!

I am a NACE certified inspector. I get publications concerning the coating industry and great articles about the coating maint. involved with all these pipelines.
Pure political BS.

 

[JaysonMFK]

I am a NACE certified inspector. I get publications concerning the coating industry and great articles about the coating maint. involved with all these pipelines.
Pure political BS.

That's cool, we shared a similar career not too long ago. I worked for PetroChem Inspections, I was the rack monkey constantly scraping off your external coating to shoot the pipe lol.

Thanks for the graph, although I'm more interested in the type and volume of the crude. The difference in volume between a 36"+ pipe rupture and a 3" rupture is pretty significant.

I'd also like to see what kind of history the older pipes have as far as ruptures and spills are concerned. If it's as bad as Keystone's first pipeline then we should definitely look toward viable alternatives, keystone included perhaps.

 

[Devious_Snake]

I never could understand why the gas prices jump so rapidly and quickly yet when the price per barrel goes down you see a couple cents difference over the course of weeks. whats that saying " up like a rocket, down like a feather"?

anyway just paid 4.05 for premium last night

 

[JaysonMFK]

I never could understand why the gas prices jump so rapidly and quickly yet when the price per barrel goes down you see a couple cents difference over the course of weeks. whats that saying " up like a rocket, down like a feather"?

anyway just paid 4.05 for premium last night

Exactly! lol.

Although to be fair, gas pricing is pretty competitive between gas stations and a bulk of their actual revenue comes from other purchases, candy, coke, etc.

People tend to spend less on those things when getting hammered at the pump, while at the same time the stations themselves are making less from internal sales and breaking even or even losing money when gas pricing goes up. At least that's how it was related to me when I asked a buddy from school's dad who owns 2 stations. He said once crude prices start coming down, that when they tend to dwindle prices slowly to make up what was lost when prices were higher. He could've been full of shit. I don't know lol :shrug:

Exxon itself however, will continue to make record profits regardless. ;-)

 

[carrew]

Cheap Gas is Easy, just cut out one vice.

Cigarettes
Alcohol
Strippers
Super Chevy Magazine

Gas cost just like it did in 1971

No cigs - You live longer with better health
No Alcohol - save money and less likely to wake up with a fat chick
No strippers - No chance of getting the same cold sore the guy sitting next to you has after getting his faced rubbed by the same boobies.
No Super Chevy magazines - No more worrys to buy one more modification to decrease your fuel mileage because of the those LS juans.

 

[rudyrivera1189]

$3.79 for 93 here in North Jersey. You know the summer is coming soon when the gas prices rise...

 

[type911]

That's cool, we shared a similar career not too long ago. I worked for PetroChem Inspections, I was the rack monkey constantly scraping off your external coating to shoot the pipe lol.

Thanks for the graph, although I'm more interested in the type and volume of the crude. The difference in volume between a 36"+ pipe rupture and a 3" rupture is pretty significant.

I'd also like to see what kind of history the older pipes have as far as ruptures and spills are concerned. If it's as bad as Keystone's first pipeline then we should definitely look toward viable alternatives, keystone included perhaps.

Thats funny. I don't inspect pipelines but still feel the same pain you describe when the engineers ruin my coatings on a daily basis. or when they try to fix what they messed up thinking i wouldn't notice.

Their really is not much of a difference in the crude itself once in the pipe. The refining of the tar sands is where it is more harmful. once turned into crude (in Canada) it really isnt much different then any other form of crude. Not to mention the pipe was going to be rerouted regardless. the aqua-fir was a non issue anyways.

 

[Fast Freddy]