2013 Mustang with SelectShift Automatic™ transmission

[lx347cid]

What do you all think of the SelectShift Automatic™ transmission for the 2013?
Most of all my mustangs I have owned have been manual trans and trust me I have always thought a sports car should be manual.
Im definitely going to be getting a GT next year or following year and it will be my every day car. So having an automatic will be nice but also going to be using this car for the strip so an automatic would be nice there too. Maybe with this I can have best of both worlds if its all it say it is.

 

[kingnut]

I wouldnt call it the best of both worlds. Either you have 3 pedals or you dont. Its simply boring having the car do all the work for you.

 

[Grant808]

I'll test drive one once they put the paddles on the steering wheel. Got those on my Edge (Sport), and I like using them once in a while...mostly to command a downshift or two. Once the aftermarket tuners get a hold of one of these cars, I'm sure it will be a nice feature to have on a GT or even the V6. I didn't really like the buttons on the shifter when I was test driving and Edge Limited...

 

[JerryC]

Unless Ford eliminates the delay before the shift, it will be nothing more than an advertising gimmick. Currently the trans takes too long to shift after the lever is moved to be of any real racing use.

 

[wbt]

Unless Ford eliminates the delay before the shift, it will be nothing more than an advertising gimmick. Currently the trans takes too long to shift after the lever is moved to be of any real racing use.

Nothing a tune can't fix.

 

[JerryC]

Nothing a tune can't fix.

I've had tunes from three tuners and none of them changed that.
They all work great when the trans shifts itself, all had the same long delay when manually shifted.

 

[Grant808]

I've had tunes from three tuners and none of them changed that.
They all work great when the trans shifts itself, all had the same long delay when manually shifted.

Agreed. There are a lot of mechanical things that need to happen between when a shift is commanded and when it actually happens. When the trans shifts itself, it is often commanding the shift waaaay ahead of the actual shift point rpm.

 

[wbt]

Agreed. There are a lot of mechanical things that need to happen between when a shift is commanded and when it actually happens. When the trans shifts itself, it is often commanding the shift waaaay ahead of the actual shift point rpm.

Not sure where to start here.....

The 6R80 is an electronically controlled trans. It is not like a C4, C6, AOD where you are relying on something mechanical to take care of something for you.

I can guarantee you a tune will be able to fix the "manual" shift feature in the new SelectShift option. Give a tuner some time with access to the correct software (not SCT garbage) and it will be made so.

 

[wbt]

I've had tunes from three tuners and none of them changed that.
They all work great when the trans shifts itself, all had the same long delay when manually shifted.

Who were said tuners and did they have access to something outside of the standard SCT crap?

 

[Scuba-Matt]

My wife's 2010 Mazda6 grand touring had the select shift. The delay in up shifts took any fun out of shifting that could have been there. Want a stick buy one, Don't expect a auto with select a shift to shift like a stick.

 

[Funny5.0]

Unless Ford eliminates the delay before the shift, it will be nothing more than an advertising gimmick. Currently the trans takes too long to shift after the lever is moved to be of any real racing use.

Not exactly manual but why shift? You could put 3.73's and a race tune in the auto. Leave it in 3rd gear and you won't need to shift for racing. Plenty of power/torque throughout the powerband at this point to pull through the turns and this trans holds third without up or down shifting. 3.15's too low for this unfortunately.
The select shift is no sub for a real manual unless it were like a DSG but would make the auto more fun. Better than nothing.

 

[JerryC]

Who were said tuners and did they have access to something outside of the standard SCT crap?

One of them should be obvious The other two were BBR and the local shop in town. If BBR doesnt have access to the necessary settings, then I wouldnt expect the local guy to have it either.

When it was stick I had the Ford tech report it up to Ford. "Working as designed" was the reply.

 

[JerryC]

Not exactly manual but why shift? You could put 3.73's and a race tune in the auto. Leave it in 3rd gear and you won't need to shift for racing. Plenty of power/torque throughout the powerband at this point to pull through the turns and this trans holds third without up or down shifting. 3.15's too low for this unfortunately.
The select shift is no sub for a real manual unless it were like a DSG but would make the auto more fun. Better than nothing.

I thought second gear with 3:15's worked pretty well, turning on hill assist helps alot too.

For accelerating from a stop, manually shifting is a loser, you have to move the lever about 3/4 of second before the shift point, the problem is guessing where on the tach that is because of traction, and throttle position. Shift too late and you hit the limiter and car falls flat on its face. `

 

[JerryC]

Not sure where to start here.....

The 6R80 is an electronically controlled trans. It is not like a C4, C6, AOD where you are relying on something mechanical to take care of something for you.

I can guarantee you a tune will be able to fix the "manual" shift feature in the new SelectShift option. Give a tuner some time with access to the correct software (not SCT garbage) and it will be made so.

It sure isnt like a C4, 25 years ago my C4 shifted as soon as I moved the lever

 

[acrbill]

The trans is electronically controlled. You move the lever and it sends that request through the ecu to the trans. Unfortunately the trans takes time to complete its job. You do realize those cars with paddle shifters have clutches and pumps to operate everything don't you? Those buttons on the back of the steering wheel are a gimmick that should not be considered by a real enthusiast.

 

[wbt]

One of them should be obvious The other two were BBR and the local shop in town. If BBR doesnt have access to the necessary settings, then I wouldnt expect the local guy to have it either.

When it was stick I had the Ford tech report it up to Ford. "Working as designed" was the reply.

It sure isnt like a C4, 25 years ago my C4 shifted as soon as I moved the lever

Justin is about the only one I would consider out of that list respectable and I don't think he has anything outside of the SCT software. Again I believe there will be tunes in the not so distant future that will address the latency now that Ford will be offering SelectShift. Have faith and give it some time. ;-)

 

[JerryC]

Justin is about the only one I would consider out of that list respectable and I don't think he has anything outside of the SCT software. Again I believe there will be tunes in the not so distant future that will address the latency now that Ford will be offering SelectShift. Have faith and give it some time. ;-)

I hope you are right, I like having control of the gears.

 

[kevinp]

The trans is electronically controlled. You move the lever and it sends that request through the ecu to the trans. Unfortunately the trans takes time to complete its job. You do realize those cars with paddle shifters have clutches and pumps to operate everything don't you? Those buttons on the back of the steering wheel are a gimmick that should not be considered by a real enthusiast.

+1, there is an inherent delay in all automatic transmission, lot of things going on to make a shift.

While the F150 trans valve body is completely controlled by solenoids I wasnt very impressed with the F150 select shift, equally as unimpressive as my old C6 with 'paddle' shifters. It works but its no DCT thats for sure.

I'm curious to see how it plays out in the mustangs, I wouldnt buy a 2013 just because of that, or sell my 2011 because it doesnt have it. If you want a manual trans I dont think a select shift 6R80 is going to fill the need. But you never know, who thought these would be mid 11 second cars with some bolt ons and tires in good weather

 

[11GT50]

The trans is electronically controlled. You move the lever and it sends that request through the ecu to the trans. Unfortunately the trans takes time to complete its job. You do realize those cars with paddle shifters have clutches and pumps to operate everything don't you? Those buttons on the back of the steering wheel are a gimmick that should not be considered by a real enthusiast.

This, exactly. This "SelectShift" is a gimmick. It's still the same old 6R80 and it still isn't a proper dual clutch transmission.

 

[Ry_Trapp0]

I wouldnt call it the best of both worlds. Either you have 3 pedals or you dont. Its simply boring having the car do all the work for you.

this. a dual clutch isn't even remotely the same as a standard manual, let alone a "shiftable" automatic whose only purpose is to get sales from gullible douchebags.