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<blockquote data-quote="wurd2" data-source="post: 12124295" data-attributes="member: 15196"><p>I do not mean to be dismissive of your brush with death, but I have to ask: what if you had been born somewhere in the Middle East to Muslim parents in a Muslim village? Would you have attributed your experience to an alternate one true God named Allah? Or would you somehow find Yahweh where billions of other Muslims have failed?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would expect predictions of the future as detailed by the creator of the universe to be risky, specific, and unerringly accurate. Predicting that a given civilization will rise or fall is convenient and hardly risky because by nature that is what civilizations do. The bible's authenticity would be a different story if it had a flawless track record of predictions but it doesn't. For example, God made the following prediction in Exodus 33:2 (KJV):</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">And I will send an angel before you; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:</span></span></p><p></p><p>This prediction is also reflected in Joshua 3:10 (KJV):</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">And Joshua said, Hereby you shall know that the living God is among you, and that he will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Hivites, and the Perizzites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Jebusites.</span></span></p><p></p><p>But according to Judges 3:1-5 (KJV), this prediction FAILED:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'courier new'">Now these are the nations which the LORD left, to prove Israel by them, even as many of Israel as had not known all the wars of Canaan; Only that the generations of the children of Israel might know, to teach them war, at the least such as before knew nothing thereof; Namely, five lords of the Philistines, and all the Canaanites, and the Sidonians, and the Hivites that dwelled in mount Lebanon, from mount Baalhermon to the entering in of Hamath. And they were to prove Israel by them, to know whether they would listen to the commandments of the LORD, which he commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses. And the children of Israel dwelled among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites:</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You might apply scientific thinking at work, but the aspect of your worldview described above is hardly scientific or factual. It is faith-based and I think you should present it under its true flag.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who is the "grand daddy" of Jewish intellectuals?</p><p></p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Scientific truths are not the slightest bit dependent on religiosity. You cannot seriously argue that the validity of a given claim is somehow determined by a show of supporting hands. Somewhere prior to the 1930's, the entire scientific community believed that our Milky Way was the only galaxy in existence, present in a static eternal universe. If every human being alive today believed this to be the case, the claim would be no less bogus than when it was originally conceived.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>You are wrong by orders of magnitude. Modern human beings have been around somewhere between 150,000 and 200,000 years, according to estimates from Richard Dawkins and Francis Collins, respectively.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Humankind has failed? Miserably? By what or whose standards? I find it fascinating that this conversation can even take place.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hopefully we can have some measure of our planet back after the parties of god have annihilated one another.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Talking donkeys? Eternal praise and everlasting worship in paradise? No thank you. Leave me out of it.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wurd2, post: 12124295, member: 15196"] I do not mean to be dismissive of your brush with death, but I have to ask: what if you had been born somewhere in the Middle East to Muslim parents in a Muslim village? Would you have attributed your experience to an alternate one true God named Allah? Or would you somehow find Yahweh where billions of other Muslims have failed? I would expect predictions of the future as detailed by the creator of the universe to be risky, specific, and unerringly accurate. Predicting that a given civilization will rise or fall is convenient and hardly risky because by nature that is what civilizations do. The bible's authenticity would be a different story if it had a flawless track record of predictions but it doesn't. For example, God made the following prediction in Exodus 33:2 (KJV): [size=3][font=courier new]And I will send an angel before you; and I will drive out the Canaanite, the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite:[/font][/size] This prediction is also reflected in Joshua 3:10 (KJV): [size=3][font=courier new]And Joshua said, Hereby you shall know that the living God is among you, and that he will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Hivites, and the Perizzites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Jebusites.[/font][/size] But according to Judges 3:1-5 (KJV), this prediction FAILED: [size=3][font=courier new]Now these are the nations which the LORD left, to prove Israel by them, even as many of Israel as had not known all the wars of Canaan; Only that the generations of the children of Israel might know, to teach them war, at the least such as before knew nothing thereof; Namely, five lords of the Philistines, and all the Canaanites, and the Sidonians, and the Hivites that dwelled in mount Lebanon, from mount Baalhermon to the entering in of Hamath. And they were to prove Israel by them, to know whether they would listen to the commandments of the LORD, which he commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses. And the children of Israel dwelled among the Canaanites, Hittites, and Amorites, and Perizzites, and Hivites, and Jebusites:[/font][/size] You might apply scientific thinking at work, but the aspect of your worldview described above is hardly scientific or factual. It is faith-based and I think you should present it under its true flag. Who is the "grand daddy" of Jewish intellectuals? :) Scientific truths are not the slightest bit dependent on religiosity. You cannot seriously argue that the validity of a given claim is somehow determined by a show of supporting hands. Somewhere prior to the 1930's, the entire scientific community believed that our Milky Way was the only galaxy in existence, present in a static eternal universe. If every human being alive today believed this to be the case, the claim would be no less bogus than when it was originally conceived. You are wrong by orders of magnitude. Modern human beings have been around somewhere between 150,000 and 200,000 years, according to estimates from Richard Dawkins and Francis Collins, respectively. Humankind has failed? Miserably? By what or whose standards? I find it fascinating that this conversation can even take place. Hopefully we can have some measure of our planet back after the parties of god have annihilated one another. Talking donkeys? Eternal praise and everlasting worship in paradise? No thank you. Leave me out of it. [color=black].[/color] [/QUOTE]
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