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Whipple 5.0 vs KB Cobra
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<blockquote data-quote="Jroc" data-source="post: 12156108" data-attributes="member: 51847"><p>Your post is laughable. Okay lets assume that 50% of the OEM motors will survive at 700 WHP for a noticeable time,(which I doubt) but the other 50% won't then no they are not reliable motor. Most Terminators that make this type of power on OEM motors aren't frequent street cars. </p><p></p><p>You want to do a real effective cooling mod that actually works? Build the motor using good, smartly selected pistons. Most good builders will bump the compression up some, give the piston more clearance with the cylinderwall, and will use pistons with mounted lower on them. All this HCM, DP H/E, bigger reservoirs, etc are just gimmicks on a street car. E85 is an effective cooling mod.</p><p></p><p>I had MM C/O's(375 front/575 rear spring rates) with MM valve Bilstein Sport struts/shocks, fully built IRS using the complete FTB kit, FLSFC, MM k-member brace, etc and I still say my L is a better handler than my Terminator.(I just wish it came with Manley H-Beams like my Terminator) Obviously my Cobra was more flickable, and lighter, and in a high speed turn the leaf springs will start to feel a little bit wallowy, and the Cobra feels noticeable better there, but my L does two important things better than a Terminator.(I've driven several) It has way more grip both F/R, and it's quite a bit more communicative about approaching it's limits. My car felt like an improved on stock Cobra which means the front end still wanted to push heavily when driven aggressively in a turn. Every S197 car I've driven is a better handling vehicle than my L, and especially the new GT's. If you want to do real noticeable improvements to the Cobras handling I recommend going with an improved frontend geometry(Griggs/MM) building a lighter aluminum block motor, and some good in-floor SFC's. Trust me if you ever install some In Floor SFC's you will completely understand why Foxbody/SN95 cars are considered to have very flimsy chassis. I remember back in the day all the old school Terminator RR's saying that the Roush and Steeda S197 cars give them fit's and they are only able to compete with them because of their power advantage. A S197 is a far superior platform to a 1977 Ford Fairmonts which you cars platform is based on.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No a Coyote is not a Modular motor. While many things are similar much is not, and most will not interchange. Even the firing order is different between them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you trying to change the subject by talking shit? I'm bring up the build motor thing to let the fanboys know there's a good reason that many Terminator owners go build, and it's sure isn't because there OEM motors are indestructible.</p><p></p><p>Newsflash no there are not very many factory motors(especially mass produced motors) currently on the market that are better for modding than the new 5.0's especially when you add $ into the whole equation. </p><p></p><p>Yes a Terminator motor is a solid motor that responds well to mods. Agreed. That's all they are though. They are not amazing motors though, at least not in 2012.</p><p></p><p>What needs to be said y'all get offended if someone ever post a Terminator losing to a 5.0 like it shouldn't happen or something. Y'all started flaming me. I said a Coyote is a better motor even though the OEM parts in a Terminatior are inherently stronger, but that a Terminator motor making several hundred of more HP over a OEM motor isn't overly reliable, and y'all get all but hurt. If you take and build a old SBF 302 and make say a fully forged 331, with top of the line everything and boost it well past 1000 whp does that make a old SBF a better motor than a DOHC Modular?</p><p></p><p>I'm not the one delusional. Yes right now at this time a 5.0 is a pretty special motor. It makes way more N/A HP than any N/A 4.6 ever hoped to from the factory, and it does it on 87 octane, while getting great MPG's, and being refined, and able to supports 100's of HP more than it does factory, all wihile be a mass products factory motor that takes great to mods even in N/A form with on 302 ci's, and it will make 600+ whp with 7/8 PSI's using a positive displacement blower, much less turbo's or a efficient centrifugal blower. What's not to like? A Terminator is a special motor/car for it's time. It's time has passed in a sense. There was a time when a 350, or EFI 5.0 OHV, or LS1, etc was special motors, but that doesn't mean that they will stay at the toop of the food chain forever. A Terminator motor is still a good piece, but the new 5.0 has just brought it down a notch as when you consider all things it a better piece.</p><p></p><p>I don't need to read about the thicknesses of Coyote block walls. While a Coyote is not a Modular it's still based off it and it shares bore spacing, but has a larger bore than a Modular which doesn't have much room to bore it over. Still a Boss 302 Modular block has a larger bore than a Coyote.</p><p></p><p>Yes I've wrecked my Terminator, but I've also driven 3v GT's, GT500's, and Coyote GT's and I know for a fact that a new Mustang GT is a way better car than a Terminator. When you consider the overall car it's not even close. My bet is you've never even ridden in a new 5.0 so you don't really know you're just following the little fanboy Terminator crowd.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've never played Halo,(the only reason I have a 360 is for Forza 4) and you are a newb to the "TERM"</p><p></p><p>You seem to downplay everything you say. You jumped my ass because I said that the 5.0's are better than Terminator motors.(which they are) I don't give a damn that they used forged parts are in and of themselves strong pieces because tons have broken. They are not a great OEM motor to survive day in and day out abuse at 600+ WHP if you intend to drive them like most people want to. I don't take offense to you liking your car. You should as they are fast, and fun cars, but they are not going to dominate forever. They are now a pretty old car, and seeing as how Coyote 5.0's are better motors than Modular 4.6's then yes a new GT motor is better than a 03/04 Cobra motor.</p><p></p><p>What is your way?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jroc, post: 12156108, member: 51847"] Your post is laughable. Okay lets assume that 50% of the OEM motors will survive at 700 WHP for a noticeable time,(which I doubt) but the other 50% won't then no they are not reliable motor. Most Terminators that make this type of power on OEM motors aren't frequent street cars. You want to do a real effective cooling mod that actually works? Build the motor using good, smartly selected pistons. Most good builders will bump the compression up some, give the piston more clearance with the cylinderwall, and will use pistons with mounted lower on them. All this HCM, DP H/E, bigger reservoirs, etc are just gimmicks on a street car. E85 is an effective cooling mod. I had MM C/O's(375 front/575 rear spring rates) with MM valve Bilstein Sport struts/shocks, fully built IRS using the complete FTB kit, FLSFC, MM k-member brace, etc and I still say my L is a better handler than my Terminator.(I just wish it came with Manley H-Beams like my Terminator) Obviously my Cobra was more flickable, and lighter, and in a high speed turn the leaf springs will start to feel a little bit wallowy, and the Cobra feels noticeable better there, but my L does two important things better than a Terminator.(I've driven several) It has way more grip both F/R, and it's quite a bit more communicative about approaching it's limits. My car felt like an improved on stock Cobra which means the front end still wanted to push heavily when driven aggressively in a turn. Every S197 car I've driven is a better handling vehicle than my L, and especially the new GT's. If you want to do real noticeable improvements to the Cobras handling I recommend going with an improved frontend geometry(Griggs/MM) building a lighter aluminum block motor, and some good in-floor SFC's. Trust me if you ever install some In Floor SFC's you will completely understand why Foxbody/SN95 cars are considered to have very flimsy chassis. I remember back in the day all the old school Terminator RR's saying that the Roush and Steeda S197 cars give them fit's and they are only able to compete with them because of their power advantage. A S197 is a far superior platform to a 1977 Ford Fairmonts which you cars platform is based on. No a Coyote is not a Modular motor. While many things are similar much is not, and most will not interchange. Even the firing order is different between them. Are you trying to change the subject by talking shit? I'm bring up the build motor thing to let the fanboys know there's a good reason that many Terminator owners go build, and it's sure isn't because there OEM motors are indestructible. Newsflash no there are not very many factory motors(especially mass produced motors) currently on the market that are better for modding than the new 5.0's especially when you add $ into the whole equation. Yes a Terminator motor is a solid motor that responds well to mods. Agreed. That's all they are though. They are not amazing motors though, at least not in 2012. What needs to be said y'all get offended if someone ever post a Terminator losing to a 5.0 like it shouldn't happen or something. Y'all started flaming me. I said a Coyote is a better motor even though the OEM parts in a Terminatior are inherently stronger, but that a Terminator motor making several hundred of more HP over a OEM motor isn't overly reliable, and y'all get all but hurt. If you take and build a old SBF 302 and make say a fully forged 331, with top of the line everything and boost it well past 1000 whp does that make a old SBF a better motor than a DOHC Modular? I'm not the one delusional. Yes right now at this time a 5.0 is a pretty special motor. It makes way more N/A HP than any N/A 4.6 ever hoped to from the factory, and it does it on 87 octane, while getting great MPG's, and being refined, and able to supports 100's of HP more than it does factory, all wihile be a mass products factory motor that takes great to mods even in N/A form with on 302 ci's, and it will make 600+ whp with 7/8 PSI's using a positive displacement blower, much less turbo's or a efficient centrifugal blower. What's not to like? A Terminator is a special motor/car for it's time. It's time has passed in a sense. There was a time when a 350, or EFI 5.0 OHV, or LS1, etc was special motors, but that doesn't mean that they will stay at the toop of the food chain forever. A Terminator motor is still a good piece, but the new 5.0 has just brought it down a notch as when you consider all things it a better piece. I don't need to read about the thicknesses of Coyote block walls. While a Coyote is not a Modular it's still based off it and it shares bore spacing, but has a larger bore than a Modular which doesn't have much room to bore it over. Still a Boss 302 Modular block has a larger bore than a Coyote. Yes I've wrecked my Terminator, but I've also driven 3v GT's, GT500's, and Coyote GT's and I know for a fact that a new Mustang GT is a way better car than a Terminator. When you consider the overall car it's not even close. My bet is you've never even ridden in a new 5.0 so you don't really know you're just following the little fanboy Terminator crowd. I've never played Halo,(the only reason I have a 360 is for Forza 4) and you are a newb to the "TERM" You seem to downplay everything you say. You jumped my ass because I said that the 5.0's are better than Terminator motors.(which they are) I don't give a damn that they used forged parts are in and of themselves strong pieces because tons have broken. They are not a great OEM motor to survive day in and day out abuse at 600+ WHP if you intend to drive them like most people want to. I don't take offense to you liking your car. You should as they are fast, and fun cars, but they are not going to dominate forever. They are now a pretty old car, and seeing as how Coyote 5.0's are better motors than Modular 4.6's then yes a new GT motor is better than a 03/04 Cobra motor. What is your way? [/QUOTE]
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