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What Supporting mods needed for KB 2.2 @600rwhp?

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  1. Tmac01baller

    Tmac01baller New Member Established Member

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    I've been looking through the forums to get an answer on this but most of the threads go off topic or don't answer this specific question. Im looking to buy a KB 2.2L and I want to see what all i will need to safely run 600rwhp (or close to it). Please be as specific as possible when naming parts, and if you have any links to the mentioned parts please include them. Thanks a lot!
     
  2. 2face

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    not to be a wise ass how much ya wanna spend? and what do you have now for mods?
     
  3. Tmac01baller

    Tmac01baller New Member Established Member

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    well im definitely not trying to spend an arm and a leg cause im a college student but im looking to spend somewhere between $2000-$2500 for the blower. And as for everything else i don't know that's why im asking you all. As for mods right now, I only have a Bassani Catted X, and a Borla Stinger Catback. I also have the Cobra front emblem which was good for 2 horsepower.
     
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    i hear ya ok you dont want to go port/pulley?
     
  5. Hkaiser83

    Hkaiser83 I am Captain Dynaball. Established Member

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    If it were my Cobra I would do the following.

    - Zone 5 MDM to drive the fuel pumps.
    - Two Ford GT40 fuel pumps
    - Fluidyne Heat Exchanger
    - 60/80 lb injectors
    - Accufab TB and plenum
    - SCT2600/3000 MAF
    - Going to have to be dynotuned
    - Exhaust...my current setup is Bassani OR x pipe and Borla Stingers

    That would be a solid setup. Would set you up for future upgrades as well.

    If you wanted to make it really stout get the Fore Triple pump fuel hat too. Just put two pumps in for now though. Can always upgrade to a third if you decide to go nuts with a 3.4 whipple or something down the road.

    Not including links, your lazy ass can get it all from lethal performance. :lol:
     
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    +1
     
  7. younggun04

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    The cheapest would be:
    - MAFia ($155.00)
    - Single blade TB ($450.00)
    - 60# injectors ($430.00)
    - BAP ($275.00)
    - Heat Exchanger ($300.00 +/-)
    - IRS brace ($160.00)
    - Plus Tuner ($350.00) and tune

    But I would do the GT pumps/ and a stage 2 FPDM ($615.00). Also you are gonna need a to start saving for a new clutch aswell. Depending on how you drive that stocker is not gonna last for long. While the blower is off you should do the head cooling mod ($100.00). You never mentioned if you have a Air intake either, you'll need one of those too.


    Don't need a Plenum on a Twin Screw :poke: and this setup would be a little over kill for someone trying to do it on a budget. :thumbsup:
     
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  8. Tmac01baller

    Tmac01baller New Member Established Member

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    why the GT40 fuel pumps over the Kenne Bell BAP. wouldn't 60lb injectors be big enough. which one the SCT2600 or 3000 keep in mind my hp goal is 600 at the wheels. What would the Fore Triple pump fuel hat and Zone 5 MDM do and would i really need them?
     
  9. Tmac01baller

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    was thinking about the port/pulley but i want to be at or very close to 600rwhp, and i know that a port will only get me In the mid 500's. I would also rather just do it right the first time than get a port and then later upgrade to a Twin Screw ya know
     
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    Some good advice has been given so far. I will add my opinion as well.
    Cold air intake: steeda, JLT, ect
    Idler pulleys: Billetflow or Metco
    Heat Exchanger: LFP
    Head Cooling mod
    Boost-a-pump
    60lb injectors with harness
    Single blade throttle body
    Billetflow Diff brace
    Full length subframe connectors
    Dyno tune

    The dyno tune is by far the most important component. It ties everything together. With these modes you should be at or near 600 rwhp depending on the blower pulley that you chose. Don't get caught up in chasing a dyno number at the expense of safety and reliability. I've had my kb for over 2.5 years now without any problems. I chalk that up to my tuner and my driving style.
     
  11. Tmac01baller

    Tmac01baller New Member Established Member

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    hey everyone thanks for your suggestions and thanks younggun04 for giving prices as well.

    like you mentioned i really want to be safe so im definitely taking that into consideration.

    several of you have mentioned getting a Throttle body...which one would you recommend. And is there a difference between a MAF and a MAFia? Hope that's not a dumb question but i've seen both.

    if you guys have any more suggestions keep them coming cause i love all the different ideas.
     
  12. DarkSnake

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    If you are gonna be ok at 600 rwhp you can skip the new pumps etc. and just add the KB BAP. The rest of this list is right on point. Throw in some subframe connectors when you can, but start with the IRS brace!!! $2500 bucks if you break the rear end because you didn't put the $150 part in.
     
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  13. Hkaiser83

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    The setup I mentioned was a rock solid build up. Something that can support big numbers beyond what you are planning for. Because the more horsepower you get the more you will want.

    Yes, forgive my error. You will not need a plenum with the accufab.
     
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    Wow to both answers lol. You will not need a plenum with the KenneBell. Not the Accufab lol.

    Single Modified FPDM
    Twin "GT" Fuel Pumps with wiring upgrade
    Heat exchanger is a good idea but you can get by without one
    60lb injectors (because they'll support way over 700hp so you don't need 80's)
    SBTB
    SCT 2600

    After that you'll get what you'll end up needing. Like clutch, 26 spline input shaft........


    That's about it.
     
  15. Hkaiser83

    Hkaiser83 I am Captain Dynaball. Established Member

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    Hey numb nuts, I was saying he won't need a plenum when he gets the accufab. :rollseyes

    By the way, how is that True Forged IC reservoir? I have been drooling over it for a week now.
     
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    Posi Had a blast. Established Member

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    I like it.
     
  17. Hkaiser83

    Hkaiser83 I am Captain Dynaball. Established Member

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    Well thanks for the detailed run down.
     
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    There should be a thread in the tech section for necessary supporting mods for an upper pulley only, ported Eaton, and twin screw. Seems like this comes up a lot.
     
  19. Tmac01baller

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    Hey posi you seem to be pretty knowledgeable as i've read a lot of your posts...what is that SBTB that you mentioned. And how will the Single Modified FPDM help out/benefit me? Im assuming you're suggesting i go with the Twin GT pumps over a BAP...why would you recommend that and is there anything else i would have to buy with those pumps to set it all up?

    Good Stuff Guys!
     
  20. Posi

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    SBTB = Single blade throttle body

    Single modified fpdm is required (can't remember why now) and will support up to 650hp before you need a dual. Altough I just went over it and no problems showed up on the dyno. I like the Twin GT pumps just because they are stand alone pumps. Flow is excellent and with the wiring upgrade you're fine for some pretty high hp. Just seems the bap started a long time ago because it was the only method then to add more fuel. Not really many aftermarket pumps back in the day. Me, I'd just rather have the upgraded pumps but the bap is on many people's cars with zero problems at all.


    Hopefully someone with more knowledge will chime in about the FPDM. Also check out Lethal's website because they have descriptions there for their products. Let alone everything in stock.
     

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