Monster.
I look forward to VMP releasing the gen 4 only to offer the gen 4r 6 months later to **** over everyone who got the gen 4 non r
the saltyness flows through you doesn't it? lol
Monster.
I look forward to VMP releasing the gen 4 only to offer the gen 4r 6 months later to **** over everyone who got the gen 4 non r
Yes this will be insane.I'm glad I haven't had cash to buy a new supercharger then. Looks like a 3100 is going to be the blower for me. If the performance increase the 2650 had over the 2300 holds true with the 3100 over the 2650.... its going to be insane!
I know the guys at Whipple. They are smart ass moFos. They always seem one step ahead with the Mustang SCs.We’ll see. From everything I’ve seen, the Whipple has outperformed the VMP by a decent margin at the Gen4 vs 2.65.
Time will tell.
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Have you or your friend Lidio seen these 163R VMP units in the wild? I have been hesitant to try a VMP mono after the Gen 3 issues. But if your opinion is that the 163R is as solid as the KB168, that's excellent news.Yes this will be insane.
For my mildly built 5.8 the results all same DynoJet:
TVS 2300 mildly ported Gen2R: 965rwhp SAE
TVS 2650 max ported Gen3R: 1110rwhp SAE
TVS 3100 max ported Gen4R: 12xx TBD
Going from 2300 to 2650 same pulley ratio gave me 145rwhp on 2deg less timing and worse tires (MT ETR radial vs Nitto NT05R).
Just my results.
As far as TB go, VMP fixed the 173 issue with a GT500 standard pattern 163R which works as well as my trusty KB168 without an adapter.
@Justin@VMP
Waiting for some other cool VMP parts but I’d love to keep the testing with Lidio at Alternative Auto on how far VMP’s Mustang specific TVS Technology can go on a max effort street GT500.
My current focus is back on my Turbo Coyote Fox LX but my GT500 is here to stay.
-J
They make absolutely solid superchargers, and their 3.0L seems to be monstrous with the right boost and fuel. But it seems they are still lacking that hit down low, and still build power mid to high RPMs. I've experienced a TVS before thanks to you and why I sold it, I'll never know.I know the guys at Whipple. They are smart ass moFos. They always seem one step ahead with the Mustang SCs.
Thanks Jay, solid info on the current VMP offerings. Ive waited this long for an SC, I think it will be the 3100.Sorry man, you haven’t been paying attention to the Gen3R very close. It does NOT fall off from a boost standpoint, unlike the 2.3 blowers. Any issues the Gen 3 were fixed by 3R.
For basic build Coyotes and 5.4/5.8, you’ll make 1000rwhp on limited combos and 1100+rwhp on well designed combos.
Easy fact is the 3R and 2650 rotor pack is more than capable for a 900-1000rwhp E50 build.
2 friends and I have ran the 163R TB this year w/o any issues like the 173 TB
I’m glad to help once you get closer!
-J
I think a base version Gen 4 will easily produce well over 1K RWHP on corn or race fuel with small pulley. I think an "R" version should be a ported case specifically for people putting these on dedicataed race cars like BPS' Beast.
I only hope they dont do the ****ery that was the non stock TB pattern and WIDE monoblades that never worked correctly. Make a KB168 clone that bolts to a factory 07-14 GT500 TB pattern and you have a winner.
Ive been a vocal critic of the Gen3. But you guys have stepped up to the plate and made the 2650 a monster with the 3R. What you guys at VMP have done to keep us legacy SVT cars relavent in the modern HP wars has earned my respect.Since the 3r came out last year we've been on the stock pattern for cleanliness/flexibility in parts, and not too large of a TB, Sid stopped by and we talked about this in a video that he's going to publish soon.
The KB168 is around 17 sq in and is really a race only type design. Very on/off at low throttle angles due to how soft of a spring they must run to get it to close. Nothing magical about it, just right around the limit of what a stock tb motor can handle and very low friction internals.
To make tuning easier and limit failsafe issues we've made our most recent TB designs a 16.3 sq in oval to ease the breaking open/closed stress that makes cars failsafe. The 15+ electronics are really the most ideally suited for any large TB, they have a stronger motor and better gear ratio, they actually return to idle better due to this. We've worked the TB design quite a bit to get the 07-14 electronics to behave in 95% of situations, but I would not go putting one on an NA 5.0L and expecting it to idle, the the biggest TBs are best left to blower and cammed cars.
They shitcanned itAnyone know what happened to this blower? Seems it disappeared.
I was disappointed they gave up on it, I think it would have made big power, but whatever.They shitcanned it
I believe the bigger rotors didn’t tolerate over spinning as much, so an over spun 2650 made the same as a 3100 for the most part.I was disappointed they gave up on it, I think it would have made big power, but whatever.
Anyone know what happened to this blower? Seems it disappeared.
I remember Justin from VMP talking about that, and I believe @Turbo98GT is the only GT500 in the country with a 3100. I would think it would make more power with less boost, but I honestly don't know. I also believe the EPA played a role in vmp not making the 3100I believe the bigger rotors didn’t tolerate over spinning as much, so an over spun 2650 made the same as a 3100 for the most part.
Or EPA…
If we see one from the OEMs I’ll assume it’ll be revived but I think I’m done with ‘small’ blowers if I feel the 1100rwhp the 3R 2650 currently makes isn’t enough.
-J