Traction Control Question...

[CWJameson]

Does traction control hurt your car?

For example

if you going 60MPH drop to 2nd

the little green traction light comes on (yes i have shitty tires)

i keep my foot in it and it steadies up and goes like a dream

the couple of seconds where its rev limiting my car is it damaging anything?

(440/440 Hp/tq cobra on nitto 555 extreme performance)

 

[SLEEPERSTATUS]

get some drag radials first of all and then when you want to get loose and squirley just turn the traction controll button off....no it wouldnt be bad for it though

 

[CWJameson]

i was curious if it just cut fuel making a lean mixture maybe damaging something

 

[ShelbyGuy]

well it cant be good for it...

your clutch called, it wants you to learn to either heel-toe, or stop using the engine as brakes.



if your traction control is actually controlling traction [eg., snow without snow tires], it will use up the rear brake pads in short order

 

[CWJameson]

well it cant be good for it...

your clutch called, it wants you to learn to either heel-toe, or stop using the engine as brakes.

answer the question that is asked..

That is all.

 

[KILRSVT]

traction control on our cars definetly hurts our cars. it is real primitive so it cuts back on fuel, leans out the car. i did a roll race from 20 spun the tires and let off didnt realize i had the tc on got on it again and heard a huge pop. i always turn it off.
rather than closing throttle and reducing air. our cars cut back on fuel.

 

[CWJameson]

traction control on our cars definetly hurts our cars. it is real primitive so it cuts back on fuel, leans out the car. i did a roll race from 20 spun the tires and let off didnt realize i had the tc on got on it again and heard a huge pop. i always turn it off.
rather than closing throttle and reducing air. our cars cut back on fuel.

Really?

Did you read this anywhere or is it based solely on experience and if what ur saying is true it would definately point to it cutting fuel instead of air

 

[KILRSVT]

well our cars dont have an electronic throttle body. in my old ss the traction control kick back the throttle, you could feel it in the gas pedal. the throttle body has no electrical connection in our car excepts for the tps. you dont want to be at w.o.t and have the tc system cut back on the injector pulse width due to wheel slip. it can harm your motor especially if you have a pulley or a bigger blower. how else would they doit you either have to cut back on air or fuel to stop reduce wheel slip.
some manufactures use the actual brakes

 

[CWJameson]

Manual Mentions that its integrated with our ABS system

?

 

[KILRSVT]

well the manual said its integrated into the abs and its true. the abs module picks up the wheel slip through the wheel speed sensor located at each wheel. with these sensors the abs module determines wether the car brakes are locking up or if the car is going through wheel slip. in the locking (brakes lock up) function the abs modulates hydrualic pressure the caliper of the wheel locking up therefor freeing up the wheel. in the wheel slip function the abs module picks up the excessive wheel slip and sends a signal to the pcm to cut back on fuel therefore reducing power and reducing wheel slip. so the job of the abs is to monitor wheel speed, wheel slip and wheel lock up but is does not directly control the wheel slip.

 

[Black Sex]

Are you sure the traction control dont pull timing instead of fuel. That just seems dumb to have it pull fuel on a boosted motor.

 

[mu22stang]

I believe it's a hybrid system that integrates both ABS sensors from all for wheels, and if needed, pulls timing and fuel.

 

[01SN8K]

"After considerable testing, the Team developed a hybrid traction control
system for the Mustang that combines brake and engine management to control
wheelspin. When any of the four ABS/traction control sensors detect that a
drive wheel is spinning at a rate higher than its counterpart, ignition spark
is retarded and the fuel/air ratio is modulated to attenuate torque delivered
to the slipping tire. If the condition persists, cylinder cut-off occurs,
brakes are applied to the wheel with low friction, and power is transferred to
the other drive wheel. The driver is informed of TCS events via an indicator
light in the instrument cluster.
TCS may not significantly improve traction when both wheels are on a
slippery surface, but it optimizes the use of available traction. The benefit
under this condition is improved vehicle steerability and stability provided
by controlling excess wheel slip.
The system is very sensitive to driving conditions -- it employs the
difference in slip rates at the wheels to distinguish between cornering and
acceleration slippage -- and it is extremely fast acting. In computer-speak,
it has a "64-millisecond update capability." With TCS, the drive wheels are
searching for optimum traction several times per second and adjustments are
implemented accordingly.
The Cobra TCS was also designed to meet the performance needs of more
aggressive drivers, permitting some wheelspin when the system detects that
wheelspin is the driver's desire. Not only did Team Mustang provide a driver-
selectable On/Off switch for the TCS, but perhaps its most clever aspect: the
Power Start feature.
Power Start senses when the driver is accelerating hard and goes into a
performance programming mode that enables optimum wheelspin from a standing
start on dry pavement. As long as the Cobra accelerates forward, the Power
Start feature stays engaged and the Mustang responds as it would without
traction control. When the system detects that the car is turning away from
the straight, however, TCS is re-engaged.
For repeated hard acceleration, Team Mustang recommends utilizing the Off
switch on the console, though at no time can the ABS be switched off. The TCS
defaults to On mode when the engine is started.
This capability was specifically designed for the Mustang -- whose
flagship is the SVT Mustang Cobra. It provides the correct blend of traction
and control that customers wanted, plus the high-performance operation Cobra
drivers are unwilling to give up."

SOURCE Ford Motor Company

OK i cut and paste this.
This should answer your question. And it is true that the car will spin the tires if the car can be held straight. There are gyroscope sensors on the car that sense body roll, or if the car is getting sideways. So the TCS isnt just reading wheels sensors alone to determine if it needs to activate.

 

[Tarball]

On my mach1 if i keep my foot planted while the TC is on I start to hear detonation.

 

[Black Sex]

On my mach1 if i keep my foot planted while the TC is on I start to hear detonation.

OUCH...you might not want to do that

 

[Jefe]

Ive read on this site numerous times that its bad. I turn it off if im planning on hitting full boost

 

[Jomo1994z71]

1st thing I do after I start the car is turn of TC

 

[CWJameson]

Tuner had mentioned that if your tune doesnt allow for the modifications by your tune(ignition timing ect) the traction control might cause detonation

but if all the safeties are engaged

it will pull timing and air/fuel will be compensated

i think this explains why some people have detonation and others don't?

 

[Tarball]

I have my TC off all the time now.

 

[KILRSVT]

1st thing I do after I start the car is turn of TC

+1 right here