Toyo Proxes R888 tires, 265/30/19 & 295/30/19 installed W/Pics.

[tigerhonaker]

Afternoon gang,

1st I want to say thanks to those on SVT Performance that Posted on the other Thread about these tires.


I got the call yesterday from Paul at Discount Tire Store the Toyos were in.

So jumped in Mustang and headed to tire store which is like 15-minutes from my house.

Got there and they went to work immediately.
And for what it is worth it is time consuming to Remove old tires & Install those New Toyo R888 tires.
Took like a couple of hrs.
Probably took more time than usual because Paul was like Super Careful not to Damage the TPMS sensors or my Wheels.

Happy to report No-Damage to anything.

I think most people prefer to see Pics. of things rather than just simple words on a screen.

I narrowed down the Pics. to the one's below.
I tried to think of the different things another person might wish to see.
So, there are a lot of Pics. at different angles so you can see what the New Toyo R888 tires look like.

These are mounted on Ford Racing Boss Race wheels, 19x9" front & 19x10" rear.
The finish on the wheels is Gloss Black.

It is unfortunate but many of the Pics. had to be taken as it got dark outside.
Same for here at the House.
Overcast with No-Sun so the Pics are certainly not perfect but better than nothing.

I'm not going to add comments for each Pic.
If you have a question on any I'll then comment further.

Be sure you check the, (Production-Date).
These tires were Manufactured on, {14-Week of 2012}

Terry

 

[tigerhonaker]

This is Paul & his 2012 GT Premimum Mustang.
He loaded up my take-off tires and followed me Home with them.
(Not many guys that would do that)

Rear tires, (Not sticking outside of fenderwell)

Terry

 

[tigerhonaker]

1st test drive with the, Toyo Proxes R888 tires today ...

Hi,

Well the Sun is out and the temperature for this time of year is in the Mid-50's.

So I decided to take the "tigermachine" out and see just how the New Toyo R888 tires felt.

I have been asked on multiple Internet Mustang Sites to report back after driving with them.

As always I think pictures add a lot to a discussion.
So I took some to show what I was doing today while out driving.
I'll Post those Pictures below after I complete my driving observations and opinions on the tires.

There may be many of you that already know some or all of what I am going to say.

Be nice as there are others that don't know so this is obviously more for those looking for information before they Purchase.

(1) On smooth surface roads/interstates all is A-OK.

(2) However if you drive over any sort of a Raised Surface like (Bridge) etc. on the road.
You will instantly know why these are called, Low Profile Tires, (30-Series).
Any sort of irregular or raised surface you will instantly feel it and hear it.
I do mean anything that is not smooth.
I don't think I would be running these if I lived up North like where the Roads are, (CRAP).
You better live and drive for the most part where the streets, roads as well as interstates are smooth.
I don't exaggerate I'm just Fore-Warning those that don't already know this.

(3) I drove at speeds of up to 75 MPH with cruise set.
The ride was perfect and No-Jarring, Bumping, Noise, Pulling of any sort.
They just rode Super Smooth and as I said I did not HEAR any Noise from them at all.
This was on a 4-Lane interstate with a mostly smooth surface other than the occasional bridge.
I could ride with these for sure if the road surface was smooth for the most part.

(4) A Rating of 100 for Tread-Softness/Wear Factor.
These tires even with it being here today in the mid 50's pick up everything.
Any small pebbles, stones, sand, etc.
You will hear it all getting thrown up under the fenders and body for sure.
These would Not be a good choice for, (Un-Finished) {Gravel-Dirt-Surface) street/roads.
There tires are for ONLY Paved Hwy. Surfaces, Period !!!

(5) I cannot report at all on how they do as in Traction abilities from a, (Stand-Still) take-off.
Just did not choose to go there as they have No-Mileage on them yet.
I only drove it from Discount Tire to my house and that is like maybe 6-miles.
I'm going to take the time to break these in before going Crazy with them on Take-Offs.

(6) I think that is all I have to report on them other than this last thing.
I had Continental DW Extreme tires in, 255/40/19 & 285/35/19 sizes.
These are, 265/30/19's & 295/30/19's.
So it was necessary to take my SCT Tuner and adjust the RPM, (Revolutions Per Mile).
This might not be of interest to some of you but for others it will be.
Another, (Benefit) of these tires other than the obvious, (Traction & Looks) is this.
Because I was running the 35-Series and these are 30-Series I have Lowered my Rear-End-Gearing-Ratio.
I have changed my gearing from the 4.10's I had to now the 3.73 gearing.
I did that for dropping the RPM out on the road at speeds with the New TCI Super Street Fighter Tranny.
It has different gearing in OD, (Over-Drive) than my 5-Speed Manual did.
So the 3.73 gearing got my RPM down some with the 3.73 gearing at 70-75 MPH on the road.
I would have liked a little more gear but the 3.73's worked okay.
With the 30-Series Toyo's I went from, 775 RPM @ 70 MPH to 810 RPM @ 70 MPH.
RPM in this case stands for, (Revolutions-Per-Mile)
So as you can see these tires have helped me with Lowering my Rear-End-Gearing-Ratio.
Just another Positive in my case for running the Toyo R888 tires.

Some Pics. for you I took while testing the Toyo R888 tires.

Terry

 

[TBCobra]

Nice review the tires look great.

Let me get one thing straight. If you drop or raise your sidewall size you are changing your rear end ratio?

 

[tigerhonaker]

Nice review the tires look great.

Let me get one thing straight. If you drop or raise your sidewall size you are changing your rear end ratio?

Yes if you are going from as an example,

A 35 series down to a 30 series tire.

You are in effect marginally dropping or changing your rear end ratio.

Making it Lower.
If you had as I do 3.73 gears.
Then you would be changing towards the 3.90 side of gearing as an example.

A much more noticeable change would be going from,
55 series ratio to the 30 series ratio.

Now that would be very noticeable for sure.

Not the easiest thing to explain honestly.

Terry

 

[tigerhonaker]

Guys,

A buddy of mine over on another Site took the time to figure out what my Rear-End -Ratio gearing is now.
This has worked out to be just what I was hoping.
Some of you might find this interesting.



Your New "Gear Ratio"

Hi Terry,

Another, (Benefit) of these tires other than the obvious, (Traction & Looks) is this.

Quote:
Because I was running the 35-Series and these are 30-Series I have Lowered my Rear-End-Gearing-Ratio.
I have changed my gearing from the 4.10's I had to now the 3.73 gearing.
I did that for dropping the RPM out on the road at speeds with the New TCI Super Street Fighter Tranny.
It has different gearing in OD, (Over-Drive) than my 5-Speed Manual did.
So the 3.73 gearing got my RPM down some with the 3.73 gearing at 70-75 MPH on the road.
I would have liked a little more gear but the 3.73's worked okay.
With the 30-Series Toyo's I went from, 775 RPM @ 70 MPH to 810 RPM @ 70 MPH.
RPM in this case stands for, (Revolutions-Per-Mile)
So as you can see these tires have helped me with Lowering my Rear-End-Gearing-Ratio.
Just another Positive in my case for running the Toyo R888 tires.

Well, I know you didn't want 4.10 gears,
but on the other hand you wanted something more than the
3.73s you do have.

So, I got out my trusty Hewlett-Packard 12C calculator:

Going from 775 to 810 is a delta of 4.52%.

Take 4.52% of 3.73 = 0.17

Add 3.73 + 0.17 = 3.90 Rear-End-Gear Ratio.

So, you now have the equivalent of "3.90" gears, just what you wanted.

Aren't you glad you have a buddy in Texas who can still do math?

Cheers,
Tom

 

[TBCobra]

Very interesting. I have 4.10s and when I got 18" wheels I changed the rpm. I have 35 series on the back now what would I change my gear ratio to in my tuner?

 

[tigerhonaker]

Very interesting. I have 4.10s and when I got 18" wheels I changed the rpm. I have 35 series on the back now what would I change my gear ratio to in my tuner?

In your SCT Tuner the, (Rear-End-Ratio) is 4.10.

Let me see if I can explain this and it is not that easy to do with text.
Much easier if I was talking to another person.

What you do to get everything (Matched-Up) is the following.
In the SCT Tuner you set the, Rear-End-Ratio to (4.10).
Next to match whatever tires you are running you do the following.
You need a GPS that shows the MPH, (Miles-Per-Hour) you are traveling.
And in my case my GPS shows the Speed-Limit and also my speed.

Once you see if Both the GPS and your Speedometer match you need not do anything as it is Correct.

But, if there is a Difference in what the GPS is showing as your Speed versus your Speedometer.
Then you now have to hook-up the SCT Tuner and adjust the, RPM, (Revolutions Per MIle).
And that is simply a, (Trial & Error) sort of thing.

You can tell if you are going in the right direction though once you make a change in the RPM setting.
You will then test drive again and simply see how far apart the GPS reading is compared to your Speedometer.

It took me many times to get mine back exact.

If you have not done this before the RPM only changes, (5-RPM) with each click.
So if there is a lot of difference between what your GPS speed says versus your Speedometer.
You may as well move/change that RPM current setting a lot so you can
get an idea of just how much it is going to be necessary to get things matched abck up.

It is an easy thing to do but it does take, (Time & Patience).

Hope the above helps,
Terry

 

[hollywub]

Straight line results?

Hey Terry,

My local tire wholesaler is pushing me towards the R888 and away from the Nitto 555R's.

If I get them I need to get new 19" rims for the front because Toyo doesnt have a 255 or 265 20, only a 285/35 for the rear.

Do you have any feedback on the traction from a stop or a roll? I have 500 rwhp, going to about 625 this winter and I want to make the right choice. 2 rims and 4 Toyo r888's is about $2100...

Thanks!

 

[tigerhonaker]

Hey Terry,

My local tire wholesaler is pushing me towards the R888 and away from the Nitto 555R's.

If I get them I need to get new 19" rims for the front because Toyo doesn't have a 255 or 265 20, only a 285/35 for the rear.

Do you have any feedback on the traction from a stop or a roll? I have 500 RWHP, going to about 625 this winter and I want to make the right choice. 2 rims and 4 Toyo r888's is about $2100...

Thanks!

This reply will be, (Factual).
I'm an older fellow and make it a point not to jerk other people around.

I cannot say for a Fact that these R888 Tires are the perfect choice.

But I did go out and drive mine today doing local errands.
I was on the interstate as well as two lanes streets/roads.

It was a 62 Degree day with the Sun out.
That is certainly not Hot.
But it was a heck of a lot better than the temperatures we have been having in Nov.

I can tell you that my Mustang has more traction for sure than the Continental DW Extreme tires I removed.
They were the 285/40/19's in the rear.
And 255/35/19's in front.

As you know these R888's I have are, 265/30/19's & 295/30/19's in the rear.

They are mounted on my Boss Race 19" wheels that are, 19x9" front, 19x10" rear.

The largest R888's I could run to fit my wheels are the ones I have.

Back to Traction !!!

These tires have more traction for sure.
As I said above with these lower 30 series tires I now have 3.90 gearing.
I could tell today that my Mustang just Leaps from a Stop.
That is with just getting into the gas but not Matting-it.
I never floored the gas at all while taking off.
Keep in mind my tires are NEW.
They do say NOT to go crazy with them right off the bat.
But today I did get more Aggressive with the Gas from Stops.
It does leave Harder as I said.
That is not an opinion but Fact.

However I did not go WOT ever so I can't tell you what you want to know.
I think you are asking me what would mine do if I opened it up from a STOP.

It needs to be a Hotter Day for sure IMO.
Not 62-Degrees.
But as I said even though it was only in the 60's I could definitely tell the tires work much better than what I had.

Sorry Buddy that I can't tell you what would happen from a Stop if I left with it Wide-Open.
Just not going to Lie and Jerk you around with NON-Factual Info.

If you want to know if I would still Buy these R888 Toyo's ???
Yes, I am sure they are going to work as good as anything out there for the street.

Will they Hold under WOT with 625 RWHP I doubt it !!!
Mine is something like 566 RWHP I think.
And I don't think these tires will hold mine under WOT from a Stop.
Just my opinion at this point.

But as I said I am of the opinion they are going to do a better job than anything else out there for running our Mustangs on the street.
And that is why I bought them.
Also so I could drive in the Rain if caught in it.
That is using some common sense that is.
And the tires still having some tread depth left to manage the Rain.

Guess this is not much help to what you asked but it is an Honest Reply.

Terry

 

[hollywub]

Hey Terry,

I appreciate the response. I have been looking at the Bridgestone Potenza RE070 R2 RFT as well. it has a 140 wear rating. I get a little over cost on Bridgestone, so they are about the same price... I hear they do not need to heat cycle to be 'sticky'.

I put alot into the suspension, so I kind of want the best of both worlds. That is why I am leaning away from the Nitto 555R.

I need to buy 19X9's for the front to get these Toyo's though. I would run 265/30/19 in front and 285/35/20 in the rear.

I just want to be able to get into the throttle even half way from a stop/5 mph roll.

I have 3.73's with a 2.66 first gear in my 6speed and it is still useless.

I might bite the bullet and just buy 2 new rims and sell my 20X8.5's...

Thanks again.

This reply will be, (Factual).
I'm an older fellow and make it a point not to jerk other people around.

I cannot say for a Fact that these R888 Tires are the perfect choice.

But I did go out and drive mine today doing local errands.
I was on the interstate as well as two lanes streets/roads.

It was a 62 Degree day with the Sun out.
That is certainly not Hot.
But it was a heck of a lot better than the temperatures we have been having in Nov.

I can tell you that my Mustang has more traction for sure than the Continental DW Extreme tires I removed.
They were the 285/40/19's in the rear.
And 255/35/19's in front.

As you know these R888's I have are, 265/30/19's & 295/30/19's in the rear.

They are mounted on my Boss Race 19" wheels that are, 19x9" front, 19x10" rear.

The largest R888's I could run to fit my wheels are the ones I have.

Back to Traction !!!

These tires have more traction for sure.
As I said above with these lower 30 series tires I now have 3.90 gearing.
I could tell today that my Mustang just Leaps from a Stop.
That is with just getting into the gas but not Matting-it.
I never floored the gas at all while taking off.
Keep in mind my tires are NEW.
They do say NOT to go crazy with them right off the bat.
But today I did get more Aggressive with the Gas from Stops.
It does leave Harder as I said.
That is not an opinion but Fact.

However I did not go WOT ever so I can't tell you what you want to know.
I think you are asking me what would mine do if I opened it up from a STOP.

It needs to be a Hotter Day for sure IMO.
Not 62-Degrees.
But as I said even though it was only in the 60's I could definitely tell the tires work much better than what I had.

Sorry Buddy that I can't tell you what would happen from a Stop if I left with it Wide-Open.
Just not going to Lie and Jerk you around with NON-Factual Info.

If you want to know if I would still Buy these R888 Toyo's ???
Yes, I am sure they are going to work as good as anything out there for the street.

Will they Hold under WOT with 625 RWHP I doubt it !!!
Mine is something like 566 RWHP I think.
And I don't think these tires will hold mine under WOT from a Stop.
Just my opinion at this point.

But as I said I am of the opinion they are going to do a better job than anything else out there for running our Mustangs on the street.
And that is why I bought them.
Also so I could drive in the Rain if caught in it.
That is using some common sense that is.
And the tires still having some tread depth left to manage the Rain.

Guess this is not much help to what you asked but it is an Honest Reply.

Terry

 

[tigerhonaker]

If you think about it let me know how things work out for you.
You can just Post here on this Thread if you like or simply send me a PM if you open a New Thread.

Good-Luck,
Terry

Hey Terry,

I appreciate the response. I have been looking at the Bridgestone Potenza RE070 R2 RFT as well. it has a 140 wear rating. I get a little over cost on Bridgestone, so they are about the same price... I hear they do not need to heat cycle to be 'sticky'.

I put alot into the suspension, so I kind of want the best of both worlds. That is why I am leaning away from the Nitto 555R.

I need to buy 19X9's for the front to get these Toyo's though. I would run 265/30/19 in front and 285/35/20 in the rear.

I just want to be able to get into the throttle even half way from a stop/5 mph roll.

I have 3.73's with a 2.66 first gear in my 6speed and it is still useless.

I might bite the bullet and just buy 2 new rims and sell my 20X8.5's...

Thanks again.

 

[oooo2stang]

I love those rims on the S197. Maybe its color too lol

 

[tigerhonaker]

I love those rims on the S197. Maybe its color too lol

I'm not sure but I think you are referring to these.

Thanks,
Terry

 

[hollywub]

Hey Terry,

Any update on straight line traction?

I am sending out my TSW's to be widened to 11" for the rear. I went to the Toyo dealer and I want the 315/30/20's. I am going to buy 19X9.5's for the front.

Your power is about the same as my car so it will be a good reference for me.

I am still not convinced that the NT05R will be good at changing lanes at 80 mph...


Thanks!

 

[tigerhonaker]

No new reports at all from here on the Toyo R888 tires.
Mustang is sitting in the garage.
Have not driven it at all since last time.
Temp. here at night has been low 20's and daytime maybe 50's.
Not the sort of temps to try out these, (All Summer Tires) for sure.

Even if I do have the opportunity to drive it some in the months coming the temps. will be Cold for these tires.
So with that being said I don't think I will know anything until spring.
And that can vary with daytime temps.
But at least a few of the days it will be hopefully much warmer.

Opinion is from the few times and few miles I have driven it with temps being in the mid to high 60's is they are Sticky.
I noticed immediately when getting much more Aggressive taking off from Stops the tires (Hold) much better.
But I can tell you once I got moving and got really into the throttle the tires broke loose.
I eased up on the throttle and all was A-OK again with traction.
One thing I think we both need to keep in mind is these are 30-Series Tires.
So they have like No-Real-Sidewall to speak of.
So that means when taking off with these the tires don't have any sidewall to FLEX and help push the tires down on the road/surface.
Just to rattle on here for a bit on my opinion as well as others that have Posted on other Internet Sites regarding my tires.
Their feeling is these are, (Not) going to work well at all because of them being the 30-Series.
Especially on the occasional Drag Strip pass or so.
I don't do a lot of Drag Racing really.
But I do run it some at different Mustang events I attend.
I also run it at the NMRA World Finals in Bowling Green, KY. in True Street.
In my case I do it to have some fun with the car.
I'm not really there to Win a Trophy.
I am there to see how Fast I can drive the Mustang versus the year before.
Plus my Buddies also come to this Drag Race each year for all of us to hang out together.

I'll be interested to see come 2013 if I am right or are the other people in regards to these tires and traction.
My opinion and thinking is this.
More traction with a much wider tire.
More traction with them being rated at 100.
Also they are as close as one can get to the MT ET Street II drag radial.

Also in my situation being a retired fellow I can drive my Mustang as I choose.
Many people don't have that option and their Mustang is their only transportation.
That to me greatly limits one's options with all sorts of things revolving around performance.
I want to give these tires at least a try.
If they don't work out because of whatever reason I will simply try something else.
My thinking is if one does not try something how in the world are they going to know how it would have worked out for them.
I'm one of those that believe in giving something a try and judge the results for myself.
I might also mention this on these tires.
I'm not really looking for some miracle with them.
I don't think they will do like a normal tire in the rain.
I don't think they will ride like a normal tire with more sidewall.
I certainly don't think they are going to give great mileage.

But I do think, (Opinion) they are going to be much more Aggressive than the Continental DW Extreme tires I was running.

It looks like the 11" wide rear wheels will work great with the, 315/30/20's.
Info. below is from the Toyo Tire Site.
That will be some serious tires under your Mustang.
Have you checked to see if you need the, (Relocation-Brackets) to run these tires?
That's a lot of Width and a Wide Wheel to fit a Mustang.

Proxes R888 | Toyo Tires

315/30ZR20 (101Y) 162990 10.5-11.0-11.5 27.6 12.5 6 32.9 1819 51 754 12.9 100 AA A

Terry

Hey Terry,

Any update on straight line traction?

I am sending out my TSW's to be widened to 11" for the rear. I went to the Toyo dealer and I want the 315/30/20's. I am going to buy 19X9.5's for the front.

Your power is about the same as my car so it will be a good reference for me.

I am still not convinced that the NT05R will be good at changing lanes at 80 mph...


Thanks!

 

[hollywub]

Hi Terry,

I might have to do the bumpstop and shock cover mod...

I have been contemplating running 200 treadwear front 20" tires and the R888 just out back.

I am not roadracing this car, but I also want the r888 for high speed lane changes and such.

The dealer that races with these tires said for everyday driving he doesn't see an issue with running summer tires up front and the R888's in the rear.

Again, it is just a hassle to sell my 2 brand new front 20" Nurburgring's and tires and then buy to new 19X9.5"...

Thanks for the info. I am def going the R888 route. Not just sure if it is gonna be 2 or 4 tires...

No new reports at all from here on the Toyo R888 tires.
Mustang is sitting in the garage.
Have not driven it at all since last time.
Temp. here at night has been low 20's and daytime maybe 50's.
Not the sort of temps to try out these, (All Summer Tires) for sure.

Even if I do have the opportunity to drive it some in the months coming the temps. will be Cold for these tires.
So with that being said I don't think I will know anything until spring.
And that can vary with daytime temps.
But at least a few of the days it will be hopefully much warmer.

Opinion is from the few times and few miles I have driven it with temps being in the mid to high 60's is they are Sticky.
I noticed immediately when getting much more Aggressive taking off from Stops the tires (Hold) much better.
But I can tell you once I got moving and got really into the throttle the tires broke loose.
I eased up on the throttle and all was A-OK again with traction.
One thing I think we both need to keep in mind is these are 30-Series Tires.
So they have like No-Real-Sidewall to speak of.
So that means when taking off with these the tires don't have any sidewall to FLEX and help push the tires down on the road/surface.
Just to rattle on here for a bit on my opinion as well as others that have Posted on other Internet Sites regarding my tires.
Their feeling is these are, (Not) going to work well at all because of them being the 30-Series.
Especially on the occasional Drag Strip pass or so.
I don't do a lot of Drag Racing really.
But I do run it some at different Mustang events I attend.
I also run it at the NMRA World Finals in Bowling Green, KY. in True Street.
In my case I do it to have some fun with the car.
I'm not really there to Win a Trophy.
I am there to see how Fast I can drive the Mustang versus the year before.
Plus my Buddies also come to this Drag Race each year for all of us to hang out together.

I'll be interested to see come 2013 if I am right or are the other people in regards to these tires and traction.
My opinion and thinking is this.
More traction with a much wider tire.
More traction with them being rated at 100.
Also they are as close as one can get to the MT ET Street II drag radial.

Also in my situation being a retired fellow I can drive my Mustang as I choose.
Many people don't have that option and their Mustang is their only transportation.
That to me greatly limits one's options with all sorts of things revolving around performance.
I want to give these tires at least a try.
If they don't work out because of whatever reason I will simply try something else.
My thinking is if one does not try something how in the world are they going to know how it would have worked out for them.
I'm one of those that believe in giving something a try and judge the results for myself.
I might also mention this on these tires.
I'm not really looking for some miracle with them.
I don't think they will do like a normal tire in the rain.
I don't think they will ride like a normal tire with more sidewall.
I certainly don't think they are going to give great mileage.

But I do think, (Opinion) they are going to be much more Aggressive than the Continental DW Extreme tires I was running.

It looks like the 11" wide rear wheels will work great with the, 315/30/20's.
Info. below is from the Toyo Tire Site.
That will be some serious tires under your Mustang.
Have you checked to see if you need the, (Relocation-Brackets) to run these tires?
That's a lot of Width and a Wide Wheel to fit a Mustang.

Proxes R888 | Toyo Tires

315/30ZR20 (101Y) 162990 10.5-11.0-11.5 27.6 12.5 6 32.9 1819 51 754 12.9 100 AA A

Terry

 

[tigerhonaker]

I did consider and gave a lot of thought to running a harder tire compound up front.
But then as I gave it more thought I finally decided to just go with all four R888 tires.
One of my thoughts to running the R888 front tires was this.
My Mustang is Fast and so I decided to go with the Sticky R888 front tires.
I figure it couldn't hurt for added traction in stopping after the 1/4 mile.
And also on the streets/interstates where one can get in a situation to have to SLAM on the brakes to avoid hitting the vehicles in front.
So that is what my thinking was.
Also in my case if these last one year of my use I will be very satisfied.

Terry

Hi Terry,

I might have to do the bumpstop and shock cover mod...

I have been contemplating running 200 treadwear front 20" tires and the R888 just out back.

I am not roadracing this car, but I also want the r888 for high speed lane changes and such.

The dealer that races with these tires said for everyday driving he doesn't see an issue with running summer tires up front and the R888's in the rear.

Again, it is just a hassle to sell my 2 brand new front 20" Nurburgring's and tires and then buy to new 19X9.5"...

Thanks for the info. I am def going the R888 route. Not just sure if it is gonna be 2 or 4 tires...