To yote, or not to yote, that is the yote

[IronSnake]

A while back I started to seriously considering getting rid of my clean 5.0 drivetrain for an LS. I was thinking LSA blower, 5.3, the basics. My SBF is great but it's no dandelion compared to what's out there. Coyote crate = too expensive

Couldn't bring myself to do the LS. So I canceled. Fluffed up the SBF. It's good to go at a whopping 300hp.

Then a few weeks later Dad calls out of the blue. He has a coyote core to give me.

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Get there & it's from a 2014 GT. Intake to oil pan. Shortblock was toast but cylinder heads, cams, intake, TB, all of that is good. So now I have the entire top end off a Coyote out of a mustang.

But, without a shortblock these are just parts. And I have yet to find a reasonably priced shortblock yet. Seem to be a few and far between deal. I expected to find a Coyote with head noise I could pick up, but nope. And any shortblock is the same price as a used longblock.

So here I am. Clean 5.0 coupe that is just fine. I could sell all the yote parts, buy aluminum heads, and rock the SBF. Or I can just pray i'm blessed with a shortblock at some point, swap the car, and have more horse powa.

What say you SVTp faithful. Wait for the yote to develop or just blow up my SBF with copious amounts of boost and profit?

 

[Mpoitrast87]

turbo the 5.0. pump it to 450hp and have fun.

 

[Zemedici]

Yote.

Car runs now, pick up pieces as you’re able.

Coyote swapping a Fox automatically doubles value duhhhh.

 

[apex svt]

Going through this debate with my buddy. He’s got a 5.0 heads cam intake but we want to make good power 6-700hp. The push rod sbf stuff is expensive. The block alone sets you back 2-3 grand then you need the rotating assembly, machine work, then a power adder. By that point you might as well buy the used coyote.
The ls is obviously the cheapest way to make good power and they are so easy to work on. But I’m not a Chevy guy.
As for your situation. Finding a short block may be worth it.

 

[Klaus]

what do you think price differential is between yore and building SBF?

 

[RedVenom48]

I vote TT 351W

 

[gimmie11s]

LS would be bad ass and cheap.

Coyote would be awesome too. Built short block is $4500.

What is “reasonable” to you price-wise?


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[IronSnake]

what do you think price differential is between yore and building SBF?

The main issue with a SBF, especially an aging one, is the lack of RPM they can handle. People talk about splitting blocks due to big power. 9/10 times it's spining passed 5800rpm's which is the nail in the coffin. Problem is, you can't really make power with a low cube motor N/A without spinning it hard. They tend to not like it

So in the SBF's case, it really necessitates a better block. That's an initial 2-3k dollar investment. Cylinder heads of the avian variety are 2k. Intakes are plentiful. Custom cam 400. Valvetrain, internals, and other bits. 10k to build a good SBF.

Makes a coyote swap seem like a drop in the bucket. But regardless, I wouldn't intentionally spend 10k on my car like that. If I could budget build this coyote, I can do my own wiring, tuning, and other bits. The SBF really doesn't have much choice outside of an aftermarket block, or riding on borrowed time.

 

[Klaus]

The main issue with a SBF, especially an aging one, is the lack of RPM they can handle. People talk about splitting blocks due to big power. 9/10 times it's spining passed 5800rpm's which is the nail in the coffin. Problem is, you can't really make power with a low cube motor N/A without spinning it hard. They tend to not like it

So in the SBF's case, it really necessitates a better block. That's an initial 2-3k dollar investment. Cylinder heads of the avian variety are 2k. Intakes are plentiful. Custom cam 400. Valvetrain, internals, and other bits. 10k to build a good SBF.

Makes a coyote swap seem like a drop in the bucket. But regardless, I wouldn't intentionally spend 10k on my car like that. If I could budget build this coyote, I can do my own wiring, tuning, and other bits. The SBF really doesn't have much choice outside of an aftermarket block, or riding on borrowed time.

Yote all the way

 

[TK1299]

 

[IronSnake]

LS would be bad ass and cheap.

Coyote would be awesome too. Built short block is $4500.

What is “reasonable” to you price-wise?


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While my SBF setup sounds pedestrian, I have an aftermarket ECU, really nice exhaust, nice HCI, nice shortblock, nice harnesses... etc.

It has value is my point. So if I could out of pocket cap myself 2-3k then I'd do it. Meaning about 5k or so for the entire swap.

Flat paying 5-10k for a swap just doesn't sit well with me. Not Kosher.

 

[7upstang]

Not really sure what your power goals are, however 15-17' short blocks go for $1,800 brand new. They seem to live over 700hp pretty well. I bet you could get $700ish for just the bare block alone, used.

 

[PaxtonShelby]

Forged stroked 351 will handle 700hp easily and probably cost half of the coyote build. But it won’t rev like the coyote. What’s more important to you?

Love that coupe btw.

 

[IronSnake]

Not really sure what your power goals are, however 15-17' short blocks go for $1,800 brand new. They seem to live over 700hp pretty well. I bet you could get $700ish for just the bare block alone, used.

Where the heck have you seen that for 1800? lol

 

[SID297]

SBF 460:

https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6007-Z460FFT

 

[TK1299]

I’ve got a SBF in my 93. It’s stroked to a 347 and supercharged and makes 500hp. That’s about the limit of that block, but it’s mucho fun

 

[03Sssnake]

I voted yote, but a 351W based 427 with z heads, nasty cam, would be a ****ing monster..

 

[IronSnake]

Forged stroked 351 will handle 700hp easily and probably cost half of the coyote build. But it won’t rev like the coyote. What’s more important to you?

Love that coupe btw.

Thanks!

All good questions.

 

[T's03GT]

You can get a Gen 3 Coyote shortblock from Ford for under $3k.

 

[RedVenom48]

While my SBF setup sounds pedestrian, I have an aftermarket ECU, really nice exhaust, nice HCI, nice shortblock, nice harnesses... etc.

It has value is my point. So if I could out of pocket cap myself 2-3k then I'd do it. Meaning about 5k or so for the entire swap.

Flat paying 5-10k for a swap just doesn't sit well with me. Not Kosher.

Sounds perfect for a 351W