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<blockquote data-quote="L8APEX" data-source="post: 16767344" data-attributes="member: 51947"><p>BTW as of 10:30pm CST May 1, the ICT NWS has only officially edited the length of the path. Still holding EF3+ as the official rating...</p><p>But at least one forecaster from the ICT NWS is now publicly saying on Twitter (his private page) that the 2 year old construction was faulty and only in the "spirit of the code." The floor was bolted but walls were just nailed at the base making EF3 look more like EF4 uplift damage.</p><p>While it'd make sense, Andover homes built after '91 were often overbuilt, as the Andover tornado was the 2nd F5 in a little over a year (as Hesston was hit in late March of '90) and in '91 much closer to dense population so Andover was gung ho with rebuilding stronger, and have been at higher standards longer than the rest of the state since up to perhaps the past decade as we caught up, and construction 2012 has more earthquake provisions baked in as well that "should" help increase protection in a tornado as well. But,</p><p>Andover area has exploded in size these past 31 years, and the last Violent tornado in the Metro area just went through Haysville and a mile or so of south Wichita, an F4 on 5-3-99 (same as Moore) but later that evening, and an EF3 hit Spirit in 2012... but the craziness of the Tornadoes in early 90s faded, and Andover has been doing it's thing the past 31 years, that's a long ass time. Of the 3 local news stations only one mentioned the 31st anniversary the 26th. The people building/inspecting these homes may have forgotten the lessons (if they even knew at all).</p><p></p><p>I suppose we will see. Only one thing is certain, this will be really, really debated. Only El Reno and the complaints of the EF scale in general are more heated. At least we have the "Smackdown" forum, and I imagine they will need something similar. (unless another tornado steals the show.) There are rumblings of a QRT being prepared to come in and "help.” But that has been mentioned as being more a new common practice on anything near EF4 or greater in the past year or so as well. </p><p>It has my curiosity, but Will not make much difference to those who lost their homes and the damaged ones if they say it was 165 or 170. Just thankful no one was killed as we are very rusty, and that tornado was so quick.</p><p>[MEDIA=twitter]1520947916772450305[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p></p><p>What makes me sick is there were looting reports Saturday night. Something that was never really an issue ever before. Many residents just expedited removing of all their valuables that survived today.</p><p>Even though we are allowed to shoot them, claymores are frowned upon.</p><p>It's just not feasible to guard these 1100-1200 structures 24/7, especially the ones missing just a wall or some windows. Criminals and gangs here are "highly" mobile, and offensive vs defensive. They have no problem driving across town into suburbia or even small towns to do their crafts, although they seem allergic to neighborhoods who have "Old Glory" out, especially along with Gadsden's.</p><p></p><p>As for the rest of the tornado info,</p><p>Just shy of 13 miles in 21 minutes.</p><p>Max width ~440ft.</p><p>I don't expect anything changing until the final report unless they get some more damage points.</p><p></p><p>Oddly they have it as on the ground from 8:10 to 8:31pm. My camera is synced with gov NTP server 2x a day so should be within a fraction of a second, but I'm not certain they match as the tornado is never more than 7.5 miles away in the video, and when the tornado does it's 2 miles in 2 mins (that's 60mph) it is not the fastest movement perceived, so could be optical illusion as the path is about on a 7-7.5 mi radius from my office camera the entire time. So I will use the NWS times.</p><p>I have the entire last 6-8 weeks, so I have the complete tornado genesis, including the left flank split as well as views from less than 7.5 miles away as it it was given EF3 ratings. Only bad thing is it was doing 5fps with VBR going 5-15fps. I hope to have something rendered and up tomorrow night. I've been fighting with one big video or several more focused as the 4k footage can be scaled to 1080p with no loss. But i digress, here's a quick breakdown of the 6 hours I captured focusing on funnel formation to exiting the field of view ~12 mins of tornado at 7 to 7.5 miles.</p><p></p><p>8:10:00pm small lowering appears above the little tree behind the Taco Bell within minutes after "bow tie" funnel observed that was pulled back into the base of the wall cloud..</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]1747290[/ATTACH]</p><p>8:10:20pm funnel, rotating</p><p>[ATTACH]1747300[/ATTACH]</p><p>8:10:40pm funnel, rapidly rotating and lowering fast</p><p>[ATTACH]1747302[/ATTACH]</p><p>8:10:50pm funnel, rapidly rotating and condensation funnel is well past 3/4 the way to the ground, actual tornado should be down, dirt and debris will fill void in less than 10 sec (tornado is 7.3mi away)</p><p>[ATTACH]1747303[/ATTACH]</p><p>8:11:00pm Tornado on the ground moving quickly (37.5mph) First DM EF0@62mph (7 mi)</p><p>[ATTACH]1747304[/ATTACH]</p><p>8:11:43pm Outdoor warning sirens for Sedgwick Co start. ~63 seconds after I assume it was down (NWS is getting spotters calling "Violent Tornado on the ground doing damage") tornado is getting very strong very fast. 7.1 miles</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]1747305[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>8:16:22pm Tornado has been on the ground for ~5 mins @37-40mph. First EF3 damage at 8:14, will be hitting the Y in less than 1 min and pausing for a few seconds before really speeding up. 7.2 miles</p><p>[ATTACH]1747306[/ATTACH]</p><p>8:18:16pm has crossed 54/400 the next main roads Douglas in half a mile, central in 1 and 13th N in 2mi. The tornado has moved fast but slowed down considerably as it has changed from a NE direction to NNE as it hooks left then on the gas and will cover the next 2 miles in under 2 mins, yes ~60mph. 7.3 miles</p><p>[ATTACH]1747307[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>8:19:18pm as tornado approaches 13st and leaves the final EF3 DR as it gets north of 13th at 8:20 From here thankfully it's mainly still farmland, very few homes 7.4mi</p><p>[ATTACH]1747308[/ATTACH]</p><p>8:20:49:18pm it is getting close to crossing both I-35 and 21st N the 6-8 lane road you see traffic on between the bank on the left and the Mc Donald's to the right I lose visual at 8:21:30 it continues another 9 mins at an average of 30mph it will weaken to a EF1 in 5 minutes, briefly get back up to Ef2@112mph at 8:27 and finally rope out at 8:31 7.5 miles ATM</p><p>[ATTACH]1747314[/ATTACH]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="L8APEX, post: 16767344, member: 51947"] BTW as of 10:30pm CST May 1, the ICT NWS has only officially edited the length of the path. Still holding EF3+ as the official rating... But at least one forecaster from the ICT NWS is now publicly saying on Twitter (his private page) that the 2 year old construction was faulty and only in the "spirit of the code." The floor was bolted but walls were just nailed at the base making EF3 look more like EF4 uplift damage. While it'd make sense, Andover homes built after '91 were often overbuilt, as the Andover tornado was the 2nd F5 in a little over a year (as Hesston was hit in late March of '90) and in '91 much closer to dense population so Andover was gung ho with rebuilding stronger, and have been at higher standards longer than the rest of the state since up to perhaps the past decade as we caught up, and construction 2012 has more earthquake provisions baked in as well that "should" help increase protection in a tornado as well. But, Andover area has exploded in size these past 31 years, and the last Violent tornado in the Metro area just went through Haysville and a mile or so of south Wichita, an F4 on 5-3-99 (same as Moore) but later that evening, and an EF3 hit Spirit in 2012... but the craziness of the Tornadoes in early 90s faded, and Andover has been doing it's thing the past 31 years, that's a long ass time. Of the 3 local news stations only one mentioned the 31st anniversary the 26th. The people building/inspecting these homes may have forgotten the lessons (if they even knew at all). I suppose we will see. Only one thing is certain, this will be really, really debated. Only El Reno and the complaints of the EF scale in general are more heated. At least we have the "Smackdown" forum, and I imagine they will need something similar. (unless another tornado steals the show.) There are rumblings of a QRT being prepared to come in and "help.” But that has been mentioned as being more a new common practice on anything near EF4 or greater in the past year or so as well. It has my curiosity, but Will not make much difference to those who lost their homes and the damaged ones if they say it was 165 or 170. Just thankful no one was killed as we are very rusty, and that tornado was so quick. [MEDIA=twitter]1520947916772450305[/MEDIA] What makes me sick is there were looting reports Saturday night. Something that was never really an issue ever before. Many residents just expedited removing of all their valuables that survived today. Even though we are allowed to shoot them, claymores are frowned upon. It's just not feasible to guard these 1100-1200 structures 24/7, especially the ones missing just a wall or some windows. Criminals and gangs here are "highly" mobile, and offensive vs defensive. They have no problem driving across town into suburbia or even small towns to do their crafts, although they seem allergic to neighborhoods who have "Old Glory" out, especially along with Gadsden's. As for the rest of the tornado info, Just shy of 13 miles in 21 minutes. Max width ~440ft. I don't expect anything changing until the final report unless they get some more damage points. Oddly they have it as on the ground from 8:10 to 8:31pm. My camera is synced with gov NTP server 2x a day so should be within a fraction of a second, but I'm not certain they match as the tornado is never more than 7.5 miles away in the video, and when the tornado does it's 2 miles in 2 mins (that's 60mph) it is not the fastest movement perceived, so could be optical illusion as the path is about on a 7-7.5 mi radius from my office camera the entire time. So I will use the NWS times. I have the entire last 6-8 weeks, so I have the complete tornado genesis, including the left flank split as well as views from less than 7.5 miles away as it it was given EF3 ratings. Only bad thing is it was doing 5fps with VBR going 5-15fps. I hope to have something rendered and up tomorrow night. I've been fighting with one big video or several more focused as the 4k footage can be scaled to 1080p with no loss. But i digress, here's a quick breakdown of the 6 hours I captured focusing on funnel formation to exiting the field of view ~12 mins of tornado at 7 to 7.5 miles. 8:10:00pm small lowering appears above the little tree behind the Taco Bell within minutes after "bow tie" funnel observed that was pulled back into the base of the wall cloud.. [ATTACH alt="Image1.jpg"]1747290[/ATTACH] 8:10:20pm funnel, rotating [ATTACH alt="Image2.jpg"]1747300[/ATTACH] 8:10:40pm funnel, rapidly rotating and lowering fast [ATTACH alt="Image4.jpg"]1747302[/ATTACH] 8:10:50pm funnel, rapidly rotating and condensation funnel is well past 3/4 the way to the ground, actual tornado should be down, dirt and debris will fill void in less than 10 sec (tornado is 7.3mi away) [ATTACH alt="Image5.jpg"]1747303[/ATTACH] 8:11:00pm Tornado on the ground moving quickly (37.5mph) First DM EF0@62mph (7 mi) [ATTACH alt="Image6.jpg"]1747304[/ATTACH] 8:11:43pm Outdoor warning sirens for Sedgwick Co start. ~63 seconds after I assume it was down (NWS is getting spotters calling "Violent Tornado on the ground doing damage") tornado is getting very strong very fast. 7.1 miles [ATTACH alt="Image7.jpg"]1747305[/ATTACH] 8:16:22pm Tornado has been on the ground for ~5 mins @37-40mph. First EF3 damage at 8:14, will be hitting the Y in less than 1 min and pausing for a few seconds before really speeding up. 7.2 miles [ATTACH alt="Image8.jpg"]1747306[/ATTACH] 8:18:16pm has crossed 54/400 the next main roads Douglas in half a mile, central in 1 and 13th N in 2mi. The tornado has moved fast but slowed down considerably as it has changed from a NE direction to NNE as it hooks left then on the gas and will cover the next 2 miles in under 2 mins, yes ~60mph. 7.3 miles [ATTACH alt="Image9.jpg"]1747307[/ATTACH] 8:19:18pm as tornado approaches 13st and leaves the final EF3 DR as it gets north of 13th at 8:20 From here thankfully it's mainly still farmland, very few homes 7.4mi [ATTACH alt="Image10.jpg"]1747308[/ATTACH] 8:20:49:18pm it is getting close to crossing both I-35 and 21st N the 6-8 lane road you see traffic on between the bank on the left and the Mc Donald's to the right I lose visual at 8:21:30 it continues another 9 mins at an average of 30mph it will weaken to a EF1 in 5 minutes, briefly get back up to Ef2@112mph at 8:27 and finally rope out at 8:31 7.5 miles ATM [ATTACH alt="Image11.jpg"]1747314[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]
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